Return of Reckoning

Jaycub wrote:Again that is an awful reason to not tie a huge part of the game into the campaign.

And that scenario works both ways, with pugs queing on the losing faction and tipping the balance for the winning.

This was already tested before on Live. People hated SC's contributing to RvR, as well as PQ's and lower tiers. Their reasoning was simple: They spend a lot of time working on a zone, taking BO's, gaining VPs with Skirmish, taking keeps... and they are denied a zone flip because:

- Some random lowbies are losing in the lower tiers
- Some random pugs are losing in SC's
- No one wants to do PQ's (remember "PvE will flip this"??)

No one is cutting off SC's from WAR. Just from the RvR campaign. People will still play SC's (specially if one side is zerging really hard) so don't you worry about it dying.

There was a time sc got removed as zone lock requirement on popular demand and now you want to roll back the wheel because we should experience the same mistakes again?

Penril wrote:]

This was already tested before on Live. People hated SC's contributing to RvR, as well as PQ's and lower tiers. Their reasoning was simple: They spend a lot of time working on a zone, taking BO's, gaining VPs with Skirmish, taking keeps... and they are denied a zone flip because:

- Some random lowbies are losing in the lower tiers
- Some random pugs are losing in SC's
- No one wants to do PQ's (remember "PvE will flip this"??)

No one is cutting off SC's from WAR. Just from the RvR campaign. People will still play SC's (specially if one side is zerging really hard) so don't you worry about it dying.

Lower tiers should not contribute to the current tier. Random PUG are people too you bigot :^), and PvE has nothing to do with this.

I am not worried that SC's will die, I just want to see some kind of purpose breathed into them instead of being a minigame separate from the ORvR entirely. It gives you a nice feeling when you win knowing you have done something to progress the campaign, it also allows you to reap the rewards of a zone flip wile being in a scenario.

Sulorie wrote:There was a time sc got removed as zone lock requirement on popular demand and now you want to roll back the wheel because we should experience the same mistakes again?

This whole thread is about improving things, why can't this particular facet of the campaign also be improved? Or at least discuss how to improve it.

The dev team on live was lazy as ****, and just removed it from the campaign instead of addressing and fixing the core problems with it. We don't have that problem here, I will understand if the devs say they don't have the power to implement the SC's properly, but just casting the idea aside without exploring the possibilities is lazy/stupid.

Jaycub wrote:
Random PUG are people too you bigot :^

Yes. And when they lose VPs because they got wrecked in SC's, therefore denying a zone flip for their side, they will get flamed to death. If anything, having SC's separated from RvR will protect these PUGs. They will still be able to Q and lose all the SC's they want without affecting the rest of their realm. No one will flame them for this either.

>restricting a part of the game so people don't get flamed

Jaycub wrote:>restricting a part of the game so people don't get flamed

Please tell me how is this "restricting". Did i say SC's should be locked? Did i say pugs should not be allowed to play SC's? Did i say only premades were allowed? SC's are available to anyone. Play as much SC's as you want, and no one will care.

Your reading comprehension skills are outstanding.

Why are you getting mad?

It IS restricting part of the game, because you are removing it completely from the campaign. Maybe your reading skills need work not mine :^)

Jaycub wrote:Why are you getting mad?

It IS restricting part of the game, because you are removing it completely from the campaign. Maybe your reading skills need work not mine :^)

Don't worry, it takes way more than a couple lines with clueless people to get me mad

By now most people with actually semi-decent reading comprehension skills already understood what was my point. You can carry on, i'm out, my job is done.

Regardless this discussion is going no where fast, SCs were originally part of the campaign, and in Genisaurus's original draft it was also included.

It was removed from live because it had the problems stated in this thread. However I feel like the devs here have the power to correct those game design flaws so that SCs can again become a part of the campaign rather than just a minigame for emblems.

But everyone is just shooting the idea down instantly without discussing possible ways to re implement it so it doesn't have the same problems as before. Which seems to be a theme in a lot of these threads for a lot of things.

Unless someone else want's to pick up the torch this is just a losing battle for me, so I am done here