[KOTBS] "Destroy Confidence" tactic discussion

[rmpl]

A tactic to remove enchantments of the weakest healer on the opposite side is just not worth it hence no one will ever use it, especially (as I've mentioned before) since there are much better tactics for kotbs to choose from.

if "no one will ever use it", your words, then you won't mind if its removed? but you seem to be fighting its removal/nerf. Can you please explain this contradiction in your statements?

Why remove it though?

[Toldavf]

A tactic to remove enchantments of the weakest healer on the opposite side is just not worth it hence no one will ever use it, especially (as I've mentioned before) since there are much better tactics for kotbs to choose from.

if "no one will ever use it", your words, then you won't mind if its removed? but you seem to be fighting its removal/nerf. Can you please explain this contradiction in your statements?

Why remove it though?

Because it gives shamans a really hard time think of it less as a nerf to knight but a buff to healing sham if you want.

[normanis]

again all this rage about 39lvl tactic. we are still 32 lvl and till t4 release we dont see that tactic. in second most shammans go dps , some go heal. byt questions is like morfee or ather shammies. with speed tactic and detaunt tactic. u cant even catch him to use that triple remove enchantment and die . again ppl make thread to nerf order. also +10 crit tactic need 2 slots not 1.

[Tklees]

A tactic to remove enchantments of the weakest healer on the opposite side is just not worth it hence no one will ever use it, especially (as I've mentioned before) since there are much better tactics for kotbs to choose from.

if "no one will ever use it", your words, then you won't mind if its removed? but you seem to be fighting its removal/nerf. Can you please explain this contradiction in your statements?

Why remove it though?

why do you care if u "dont't use it" ? again you said this not me. If you don't use it, you shouldn't care

[Nameless]

A tactic to remove enchantments of the weakest healer on the opposite side is just not worth it hence no one will ever use it, especially (as I've mentioned before) since there are much better tactics for kotbs to choose from.

One of the major reasons shamans are considered as "weakest healer" is because of that tactic...

[Nishka]

Spoiler:

The funniest thing is how they talk like there's always only 1 healer in wb, who's always a shaman and who heals only 1 target at time only with hots, thus allowing an all-mightly kotbs to shut down his single-target hot healing easily. And the poor shaman can't even re-apply his hots to this target... for whatever reason
I feel sorry for them, they live in a terrible, nightmarish world.

And so the failure continues. Let me restate the previous pages for you again, just to make sure you don't provide a false impression on the last page.

1) It doesn't matter if there's another healer, it matters ONLY that using a healer other than Shaman is a better choice

2) KotBS isn't the only one with a shatter

3) The KotBS pays 25 AP and one GCD to shatter 3 enchantments worth far more AP and 3 GCDs, so the action economy is imbalanced.

Let me also make something else clear for the rest of you.

When you're discussing in these threads, you're essentially trying to convince ME of something.

So when I see you shitposting and flaming, what do I think? I think you don't have any decent arguments and you're panicking. Every shitpost actually persuades me to adopt the opposite opinion.

Sorry, I missed your post.
It makes me sad to see how you fall under the influence of the destruction whiners. Do you understand that these players will whine about anything and will happily would nerf every single order tactic/skill? It's pretty much the same players who cry "nerf engineer/sm op!1111" in the destro advice chat.
Now they see a chance to nerf at least something from the order and they're biting on it.

[TenTonHammer]

again all this rage about 39lvl tactic. we are still 32 lvl and till t4 release we dont see that tactic. in second most shammans go dps , some go heal. byt questions is like morfee or ather shammies. with speed tactic and detaunt tactic. u cant even catch him to use that triple remove enchantment and die . again ppl make thread to nerf order. also +10 crit tactic need 2 slots not 1.

FFS

YOU DONT USE THE TRIPLE ENCHANTMENT SHATTER ON THE SHAMEN YOU USE IT ON THE TARGET THE SHAMEN IS HEALING

You not only negate all the healing the shamen did with its 3 gcds worth of hots but you also damage the target there by not only punishing the target for being healed by a shamen but also the shamen for healing that target

Secondly at Nishka and posters like you, we are no so senile to have forgetten live, we've played to 40 and rr 80/100 we dont need to wait till 39 to know the power and effectiveness of this tactic

Sorry, I missed your post.
It makes me sad to see how you fall under the influence of the destruction whiners. Do you understand that these players will whine about anything and will happily would nerf every single order tactic/skill? It's pretty much the same players who cry "nerf engineer/sm op!1111" in the destro advice chat.
Now they see a chance to nerf at least something from the order and they're biting on it.

Az is one of the most unbiased devs in this game, hes objective and favor's neither side and your entire post reeks of irony considering the qq you were spilling in the flames of fate thread

[Tklees]

Spoiler:

The funniest thing is how they talk like there's always only 1 healer in wb, who's always a shaman and who heals only 1 target at time only with hots, thus allowing an all-mightly kotbs to shut down his single-target hot healing easily. And the poor shaman can't even re-apply his hots to this target... for whatever reason
I feel sorry for them, they live in a terrible, nightmarish world.

And so the failure continues. Let me restate the previous pages for you again, just to make sure you don't provide a false impression on the last page.

1) It doesn't matter if there's another healer, it matters ONLY that using a healer other than Shaman is a better choice

2) KotBS isn't the only one with a shatter

3) The KotBS pays 25 AP and one GCD to shatter 3 enchantments worth far more AP and 3 GCDs, so the action economy is imbalanced.

Let me also make something else clear for the rest of you.

When you're discussing in these threads, you're essentially trying to convince ME of something.

So when I see you shitposting and flaming, what do I think? I think you don't have any decent arguments and you're panicking. Every shitpost actually persuades me to adopt the opposite opinion.

Sorry, I missed your post.
It makes me sad to see how you fall under the influence of the destruction whiners. Do you understand that these players will whine about anything and will happily would nerf every single order tactic/skill? It's pretty much the same players who cry "nerf engineer/sm op!1111" in the destro advice chat.
Now they see a chance to nerf at least something from the order and they're biting on it.

As one of the people who believes the tactic should be nerfed/removed I feel it is my duty to inform you that I play order, and at this point, only order. As do many other who have posted against you here.

[ThePollie]

1) Even if this Tactic received a nerf, I don't see it removing Knights from competitive play. They do too much for too little effort, nobody will pick an Ironbreaker over them if they couldn't break 3 enchantments anymore.

2) We seriously don't even have access to the tactic yet. Stop whining that it's overpowered before you can even play-test the damn thing.

3) If it actually becomes an issue when we get access to it, give it a nerf. The Tactic can increase its cool down, it's not a complicated matter. The whole game isn't going to have a stroke over this.

[bloodi]

Sorry, I missed your post.
It makes me sad to see how you fall under the influence of the destruction whiners. Do you understand that these players will whine about anything and will happily would nerf every single order tactic/skill? It's pretty much the same players who cry "nerf engineer/sm op!1111" in the destro advice chat.
Now they see a chance to nerf at least something from the order and they're biting on it.

What is sad that even after having him call you out, you decide than somehow its impossible that you are in the wrong and it can only be Az falling on the dark side.

Its really sad, all the people pointing your wrong argument, everyone explaining to you how broken it is and somehow from all that, you get that one of the developers is now "influenced by destro whiners".

2) We seriously don't even have access to the tactic yet. Stop whining that it's overpowered before you can even play-test the damn thing.
.

Yet we are not the fish from finding nemo, we remember how it worked on Live, there is no playtest to do, we already played and used it, its broken as ****.

Once again, even if was repeated ad nauseaum, it negates 3 gcds from shaman in 1, plus damage.