Return of Reckoning

Gobtar wrote:...

I was going to insult you but seeing what you just wrote i fear you wouldnt even understand it. Waste of time.

Penril wrote:That sounds good. They already have the "15% less efficient on you" condition. I approve of this.

That is only with the tactic.

Penril wrote:

Nameless wrote:
wait what? please dont comment on changes for classes that you dont know! Shamans cleanse is very important cos the gobbo can clease 99% of ALL slows! Do not touch that! Do not mess with the classes you barely know.

Got all classes to rr70+ on live, currentlly have 7 classes at level 31 including a rr30+ Shaman (heal spec). Constantly play both Order and Destro. Pretty sure i know more about all WAR classes than you ever will.

the fact that you spared 20ish hours gameplay on some class doesnt mean u understand it.

Shamans healwise have nothing that is worth bringing. Hots are not reliable healing, got dispelled, got high value of overhealing and are high ap costing.

All around the boards ppl talk that WAR fighting system is based around brust dmg. Well shamans cant deal good with that.
At the current state of the game to make them better devs should make gork will fix it with higher base value and less AP (same for AM). That heal most of zealots and RP dont even slot on their hotbars while is primary heal for shamans/AMs. Yea that how bad it is...

Since sov gear is delayed undefinitly in time and shamans cant rely on set ap proc it is also very important some hots AP lowering cos the cost is ridicules.

Also shamans are supposed to be pre-active healers relying on hots but at same time almost all procs comes exclusively from direct healing... Make restro burst, pass it on and alike procs availalbe from hots. It is not like hots are so op anyway

Penril wrote:Concerning group cleanse: This hurts Magus/Engies the most out of all classes in the game.

You know that 2 dots on 5 have coldown (5-10sec),1 is uncleanseable and 1 is a pot that do damage is not evena dot and both engi/magus have ap tactic to slot right? my magus have 0 problems with group cleanse atm.

How often does their group cleanse remove valuable debuffs? Their ability to cleanse focus targets is similar to sham/am. The tactic is great but its usefulness is greatly exaggerated.
It's useless against IB aoe snares but strong against slayer aoe debuffs.
On the other hand a decent slayer would cover his debuffs and zealots can't help to cleanse it.
Highly situational talk here. :^)
The tactic kicks in, when you don't hit the focus target and they are still able to cleanse without changing their heal focus.

bloodi wrote:

Gobtar wrote:...

I was going to insult you but seeing what you just wrote i fear you wouldnt even understand it. Waste of time.

I got it don't worry, come back when you have more to contribute.

What if you doubled the cooldown of group cleanse when the tactic is equipped?

Then their cleanse is useless.

How about 7 second CD?

the fact that you spared 20ish hours gameplay on some class doesnt mean u understand it.

Shamans healwise have nothing that is worth bringing. Hots are not reliable healing, got dispelled, got high value of overhealing and are high ap costing.

All around the boards ppl talk that WAR fighting system is based around brust dmg. Well shamans cant deal good with that.
At the current state of the game to make them better devs should make gork will fix it with higher base value and less AP (same for AM). That heal most of zealots and RP dont even slot on their hotbars while is primary heal for shamans/AMs. Yea that how bad it is...

Since sov gear is delayed undefinitly in time and shamans cant rely on set ap proc it is also very important some hots AP lowering cos the cost is ridicules.

Also shamans are supposed to be pre-active healers relying on hots but at same time almost all procs comes exclusively from direct healing... Make restro burst, pass it on and alike procs availalbe from hots. It is not like hots are so op anyway

i agree and i add

for me at level 32-40 shammy/am should receive point in 2-1 ratio instead 0-1, if their meccnic it's a crap... boost it ! there are 0 reason to avoid that, since a rework is not still possible. The ration 2-1 allow 2 dot and 1 heal with a 4/5 ap reduction and 4/5 cast time reduction make em do with 2 skil what they could achive with a 4 skills.
Also it's k as cleanse work on dok/wp but all othe healers should be able to cleanse all the dots type so that wp/dok can aoe cleanse while other healers are better ST cleanser (or reserve this to am/shammy only).

AM funnel essence should be castable while moving and CD increased, that way am would alredy have something to balance with ork run tactic.

My job in this thread is done.