Return of Reckoning

The best improvement was this: Torment can be used at level 1.

The only change I wanted was an increase in Torment's damage. Because the WH/WE role is always about getting behind the target.

Lately, WH/WE has become just another melee class. Hitting from the front, trading parries for 10 minutes hoping to win.

For me, this class is only about appearing on the most vulnerable target, knocking them down, comboing, killing, and escaping.

A class of opportunity. A class of quick thinking, every second counts.

I'll still test the changes, but in any case, good job devs. Congratulations.

Your old friend, Theco.

Ruin wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 4:11 pm

Akalukz wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 1:07 pm

Ruin wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 12:38 pm

why do you say fake nefr for WL, those 2 skills are 85% of WL AOE, as lion only have 3 aoe skills

Cuz it was paired with a larger nerf on the mara, so net is still to the Lion.

Then pls remeber that Lion is Great weapon user and it got nerf to its AA tactic witch in ST build if we are taling about them is aroud 30% of his dps, then the nerf to pets dps with the pet skill changes and the aplication and stacking of 2 CC/DMG buffs that cant be now precasted for burst. And your assumptios seems not as Accurate.

Where is that nerf listed, I didn't see it, although i have a tendency to skip over things. But I did see this. no longer requires a specific stance, allowing it to be used into a larger variety of builds. So actually it increases the access to autoattack speed there for a buff across the board.

amputationsaw wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:25 pm

- No More Helpin’ - Removed

still in the game. if it gets removed completely i dont understand why. SL and many other classes have heal debuff, why take it away from choppa? he only has pure dps with no other purpose. the furious stompin' change also feels really bad. the play style suffered pretty much with this new changes

Choppa still have HD like slayer. He lose only outgoing HD and get new skill plus rework other skill.
Nothing wrong with Furoius Stomping. For me is a huge buff If you look at it from a broader perspective.

Rangers Kit dont work for me same as last year. I click on the item but it dont register.

Nevermind I forgot the quest I think.

Alubert wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 5:39 pm

amputationsaw wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:25 pm

- No More Helpin’ - Removed

still in the game. if it gets removed completely i dont understand why. SL and many other classes have heal debuff, why take it away from choppa? he only has pure dps with no other purpose. the furious stompin' change also feels really bad. the play style suffered pretty much with this new changes

Choppa still have HD like slayer. He lose only outgoing HD and get new skill plus rework other skill.
Nothing wrong with Furoius Stomping. For me is a huge buff If you look at it from a broader perspective.

Huge buff in what context? 2h sc?

gisborne wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:58 pm What problem was there to solve? DPS not killing healers (which isn't true) is not a problem.

But it is true.
And that is one of the top problem, because dps is out of rock-paper-scisors triangle.

I would not argue here. It is not the topic.

I just wonder, highlighting the meaningless of the patch.

Did you get the purpose of the change?

It was neither stated in the post nor it can be analyzed through the list of changes.

Yes, something changed. But it changes nothing (

I like the effort u put down into this rework and Iam back testing it out wich is fun again.

All the nice changes sadly is not noticed due one very bad change to already the squishiest class ingame. (same for choppa but talking as SL now)

- While Frenzied, the Slayer has their Armor and Resistances reduced by 25%

with the fact u nerfed parry to ground, then followed up by lowering armor pot values, and the fact SL has no hard CC until 15 sometimes 25s into a fight (its over by then) makes it very hard class to fight.

This weakness is just overwhelming the nice buffs/changes u down in this rework and I hope u reconsider it.

Tnx

Florian90210 wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 1:20 pm What I expected from dps patch:
Slight nerf of lion.
Slight buff to slayer and choppa.

What I got:
nerf to everything but with order bias. SL got buffed rampage, while choppa have to be in red to use furious stomping. Lion still top. mara and choppa ST trees shaked up with zero net results.
Most stupid thing is making SL and choppa even more squshier with 25% debuff on yellow.

Essentially this, WL not being toned down has my jaw on the floor. I'm perplexed, they need addressing, its the elephant in the room. Perhaps some forum vets are so persuasive / vocal / forthright, that maybe the community sentiment isn't being heard or maybe balance is done strictly on a WB zerg level rather than 6v6 / solo. Pretty sure it's not the devs, love the work they put in, but something is unexplainable here, it just doesn't make sense to anyone that plays this game at a competitive level. It's just not good to have 1 class so far above the rest... Fun if you play a WL no doubt though.

Ruin wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 4:11 pm

Akalukz wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 1:07 pm

Ruin wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 12:38 pm

why do you say fake nefr for WL, those 2 skills are 85% of WL AOE, as lion only have 3 aoe skills

Cuz it was paired with a larger nerf on the mara, so net is still to the Lion.

Then pls remeber that Lion is Great weapon user and it got nerf to its AA tactic witch in ST build if we are taling about them is aroud 30% of his dps, then the nerf to pets dps with the pet skill changes and the aplication and stacking of 2 CC/DMG buffs that cant be now precasted for burst. And your assumptios seems not as Accurate.

And mara lost AP on auto attacks. WL has an extra gap closer, remove pounce and I'd be with you, but until then, Mara can only ever be the poor stepchild in a comparison to WL power.

Akalukz wrote: Fri Dec 19, 2025 1:59 pm would love to hear the thought process behind the armor pen nerf Lion to Mara comp

To be honest I remember the posts by several of the GM`s here back in 2017, stating that it is their game not the community game, and they don`t care if anyone plays it or not.