Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?

[Bavradai]

Give melee squigs rampage.
Call it Squiggageddon.

[malark]

Same for tanks, if destro tanks > order tanks, tanks "lovers" will play them on destro.

I only post in a thread like this because on some level I worry that you might end up with a false concencus that leads to bad changes getting made. This kind of blanket statements is what worries me.

Just stuff that almost blatantly isn't true, Order do have plenty of tanks, they are hardly getting smashed all over the place by destro tanks that I can see. There isn't just Order playing RDPS, I mean just play the game, a lot of the time order is nothing but a melee ball, an effective one, there's witch hunter gank groups all over the lakes. Order runs slayers in their organised groups for a reason. Anyway, last post from me, pretty much said what I want to say. By the way, nice post time for your post there

[Earthcake]

Same for tanks, if destro tanks > order tanks, tanks "lovers" will play them on destro.

I only post in a thread like this because on some level I worry that you might end up with a false concencus that leads to bad changes getting made. This kind of blanket statements is what worries me.

Just stuff that almost blatantly isn't true, Order do have plenty of tanks, they are hardly getting smashed all over the place by destro tanks that I can see. There isn't just Order playing RDPS, I mean just play the game, a lot of the time order is nothing but a melee ball, an effective one, there's witch hunter gank groups all over the lakes. Order runs slayers in their organised groups for a reason. Anyway, last post from me, pretty much said what I want to say. By the way, nice post time for your post there

Yes, you r right, as everybody will tell you, order got an overabundance of tanks and destro r all rdps...

[Vuorinorri]

You can have it the very moment destro tanks are tuned down to order tanks in defensives.

Mind to clarify that? Imho it's pretty much same if u just build them so. Differences sure since there is no 100% mirrors but pretty balanced imo

[Sulorie]

Yes, you r right, as everybody will tell you, order got an overabundance of tanks and destro r all rdps...

And still nothing stops an order rdps player to create a tank to be useful for their realm. Or a healer, if there is a lack of certain classes. No dev work can fix selfish behavior or mindsets of "I want to play class x, no matter what and the game has to make it fair for me".

[Araco]

Slayer rampage is easy to counter cause you can just shatter the enchantment, right?

Just interrupt the Choppa when he's spamming GtdC - the animation is pretty obvious. Its that easy to counter, right?

They are in a fantasy wold, in their minds is harder.

[Earthcake]

Yes, you r right, as everybody will tell you, order got an overabundance of tanks and destro r all rdps...

And still nothing stops an order rdps player to create a tank to be useful for their realm. Or a healer, if there is a lack of certain classes. No dev work can fix selfish behavior or mindsets of "I want to play class x, no matter what and the game has to make it fair for me".

lol

[billyk]

And still nothing stops an order rdps player to create a tank to be useful for their realm. Or a healer, if there is a lack of certain classes. No dev work can fix selfish behavior or mindsets of "I want to play class x, no matter what and the game has to make it fair for me".

Why do you think Order rolls rdps in the first place? Order tanks and heals suck.
Order basically has 1 healer - runie. WP and AM are weird hybrid DPS classes with not much utility compared to DoK or Shammy.
Order tanks are an aurabot (Knight), a tough DPS without mobility (SM) and a clunky, complicated tank (IB).

[Alikchi]

Why do you think Order rolls rdps in the first place? Order tanks and heals suck.
Order basically has 1 healer - runie. WP and AM are weird hybrid DPS classes with not much utility compared to DoK or Shammy.
Order tanks are an aurabot (Knight), a tough DPS without mobility (SM) and a clunky, complicated tank (IB).

Did something Drastic change in the last 2 years I've been gone??
WP hands down the best healer.
Order has a lot of range because Bright wizards are strong.
KoBS have great utility(along with auras), but people dont like having wet noodle dam.
SMs are insane bang for buck with WW.

Back on topic;
seems development has always been about homogenizing the archetype mirrors. just give gtdc to slayers and rampage to chops. then we can start arguing on a new topic for the first time in 5 years.

[facundo7777]

Yes, you r right, as everybody will tell you, order got an overabundance of tanks and destro r all rdps...

And still nothing stops an order rdps player to create a tank to be useful for their realm. Or a healer, if there is a lack of certain classes. No dev work can fix selfish behavior or mindsets of "I want to play class x, no matter what and the game has to make it fair for me".

What?
Everyone should pick class which gives him/her fun at first place instead of class which is needed.
Then More balance from each specific class pov will automatically gives more balance at the end and allows ppl to play in different compositions than one way meta