Return of Reckoning

TenTonHammer wrote:
If WL's get an inc hdbuff along with their big frontload dmg the ttk on their targets will be ridiculously short and will break the class

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A outgoing debuff is sufficent for the class, if your group still desperately needs one order has access to multiple other inc heal debuff options

Both very valid points.

If WL is squishy, what is WH/WE than? They got only 50% of WL/mara armor, Theyr AOE detaunts has 30s cooldown, mara/WL AOE detaunt has only 10s cooldown, WL can just pounce away from danger, while WH/WE has not even charge. If we talk about squishines, WL(and mara) are in the best shape compare to all other MDPs classes in game. I am really tired of this crying how WL is not viable and seeing they topping DBS chars in most scenarios.

The problem with WE and WH is they suck because they are penalized with lighter armor comparing to other melee classes due to their stealth but tbh stealth really sucks in this game because of 30s cd and no restealth abilities (or I still didn't get that far in the game).

In RvR those two classes are basically useless because you will be focused if you try to stay with melee and going for healers/ranged dps is basically a suicide and even if you manage to get a kill it's 1 for 1 and your team probably won't even notice. They shine in scenarios though and picking reinforcements 1 by 1 (when they try to get together with zerg), so if we keep that in mind they aren't that squishy after all, there's simply no room for them in big zerg vs. zerg fights. I rolled WE just to roam, RvR sucks big time with witch elf.

But yes, I agree on white lion, they certainly are not squishy. They can stay in line with tanks and tbh I've seen white lions tanking better than tank classes.

Vdova wrote:If WL is squishy, what is WH/WE than? They got only 50% of WL/mara armor, Theyr AOE detaunts has 30s cooldown, mara/WL AOE detaunt has only 10s cooldown, WL can just pounce away from danger, while WH/WE has not even charge. If we talk about squishines, WL(and mara) are in the best shape compare to all other MDPs classes in game. I am really tired of this crying how WL is not viable and seeing they topping DBS chars in most scenarios.

Who wrote that the WL is squishy?

I would say through the monstro proc, the mara is the most durable melee DD, followed by the WL and than slayer/choppa.
WH/WE are different as they have only light armor, but the best detaunt of all melee DDs.

WH don't suck, you either play them bad , being not max rr/rank or also build them wrong.
A class that have to stack: str, parry, and crit chance hardly fail to kill something.

Biggest problem for we/wh in groupplay is their lacking mobility, on live you had odjira/QE to make up for it, those options are missing here.

tomato wrote:Biggest problem for we/wh in groupplay is their lacking mobility, on live you had odjira/QE to make up for it, those options are missing here.

Yup, odjira is the reason I started playing a wh.

tomato wrote:Biggest problem for we/wh in groupplay is their lacking mobility, on live you had odjira/QE to make up for it, those options are missing here.

never heard of lotd

speed potion ?

no?

uhm well they should be nerf anyway.

TenTonHammer wrote:At this point im just wait for wargrimmer to come in like an angry, disappointed parent and tell posters like silver to shut up and stop posting like he did in the magus thread

US democracy, we all know that.

Where I'm shitposted? Can you point on it and proove your words?

Greatwarden wrote:My point is that you're barking up the wrong tree. Points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 AND 6 of your word-vomit has nothing to do with an incoming heal debuff. You would use exactly points for ANY changes to the WL. (Why should X be nerfed? Because 1 to 6. Why should Y not be buffed? Because 1 to 6.)

All of this was about WL's strengh and pointer that WL has some unic features
And giving him incoming Heal debuff will be too much, also as moving outgoing heal debuff
Like you or not, but there is always different view on things.