Why the magus hate?

[peterthepan3]

Because you said ''for a Magus that has all lair drops from T1'' - why would you use t1 gear in any tier OTHER than t1?!

In T2 - at this level - you may be able to put some pressure on healers. My post pertains to endgame, and if you had played Magus on live you'd be agreeing with us.

Glean Magic hits like a wet noodle - tell me otherwise. Pandemonium can hit decently well. You aren't threatening anyone with that alone.

[Penril]

Magus AoE is really powerful in T1-2, when facing healers under level 20 (no group heal). T3-T4 it is better going ST, unless you run with a bomb group and use Rift a lot.

(yes, i played a Magus on live all the way to T4, rr80... can i post now? ty guys!)

This is what a AoE Magus currently does when facing non-afk, lvl 20+ healers. Compare his damage/db ratio to some of order's White Lions. He did more damage than all of them combined; they got 34 dbs and he got 3.

Damage alone means nothing. Burst is everything (that's the only way you get kills when facing half-decent healers).

[Nishka]

1 dot is nothing. 5 dots on a group who are standng in fog + 2nd aoe morale followed by indigo fire on the most heavily doted target proved to be melting people even at t4, with all that group heal.

Magus AoE is really powerful in T1-2, when facing healers under level 20 (no group heal). T3-T4 it is better going ST, unless you run with a bomb group and use Rift a lot.

(yes, i played a Magus on live all the way to T4, rr80... can i post now? ty guys!)

This is what a AoE Magus currently does when facing non-afk, lvl 20+ healers. Compare his damage/db ratio to some of order's White Lions. He did more damage than all of them combined; they got 34 dbs and he got 3.

Damage alone means nothing. Burst is everything (that's the only way you get kills when facing half-decent healers).

Of course the fact that order had 5 healers while destro had 0 has nothing to do with the fact that you've lost. It's all because magus is ****

[Penril]

Of course the fact that order had 5 healers while destro had 0 has nothing to do with the fact that you've lost. It's all because magus is ****

1) That's not my Magus
2) Order had 4 healers, which is the normal number for a balanced 12-man. Which means that under normal conditions, a AoE magus will get very, very few DBs.
3) I never said Magus is ****. Read my post again. I love Magus and i think he is really powerful in AoE spec in T1-2. But T3+ his AoE is just meh.

[Nishka]

Of course the fact that order had 5 healers while destro had 0 has nothing to do with the fact that you've lost. It's all because magus is ****

1) That's not my Magus
2) Order had 4 healers, which is the normal number for a balanced 12-man. Which means that under normal conditions, a AoE magus will get very, very few DBs.
3) I never said Magus is ****. Read my post again. I love Magus and i think he is really powerful in AoE spec in T1-2. But T3+ his AoE is just meh.

With 4+ healers in enemy team on sc any aoe is meh. Well, with so much heal most burst is useless as well. Wellcome to healerhammer online.

[Penril]

With 4+ healers in enemy team on sc any aoe is meh. Well, with so much heal most burst is useless as well. Wellcome to healerhammer online.

Correction: Order had 2 healers. The AM's are clearly DPS (look at their numbers).

Magus AoE is meeeeeeeeh when facing half-decent healers with access to group heal.

And even in SCs against 4 healers (sometimes more) we still manage to get several DBs. All you need is an incoming healdebuff and correct assisting so you can burst down your enemy. Because only with burst will you get any kills against groups like the one you mentioned.

[peterthepan3]

Magus AoE is really powerful in T1-2, when facing healers under level 20 (no group heal). T3-T4 it is better going ST, unless you run with a bomb group and use Rift a lot.

(yes, i played a Magus on live all the way to T4, rr80... can i post now? ty guys!)

This is what a AoE Magus currently does when facing non-afk, lvl 20+ healers. Compare his damage/db ratio to some of order's White Lions. He did more damage than all of them combined; they got 34 dbs and he got 3.

Damage alone means nothing. Burst is everything (that's the only way you get kills when facing half-decent healers).

Padded damage doesn't mean anything to me. Doing so much damage and getting so few KBs just means you're spamming your dots on everyone/lion/turret and not actually helping your team FOCUS anything - which is why I said if you want to be EFFECTIVE , i.e. DO something that can help your team WIN and not inflate your ego, you go st assist/rift later on.

Magus T2 AOE is not powerful; it's just good for topping scenario boards.

And if you are in a scenario with 4+ healers, the ONLY way you can win is to have focused burst damage, with all DPS assisting on the same target. It is in such scenarios that having ST DD is imperative.

[Penril]

@perterthepan3 so you are basically saying the exact same things i said. K.

[Nishka]

That magus had most kbs that anyone else in his team. Just stop bashing magus around and go play some bw

[Abolition]

With 4+ healers in enemy team on sc any aoe is meh. Well, with so much heal most burst is useless as well. Wellcome to healerhammer online.

Considering that in that screenshot, two of the "healers" are DPS AMs, and that a balanced group of six people runs with two healers you can assume that there will be approximately 4+ healers in any given SC.

That particular screenshot is not a fantastic representation, as it appears it was effectively a spawn camp. I would be interested to see screenshots of a balanced scenario seeing how many DBs an AOE Magus gets. I'm going to assume that it is still not many.