Return of Reckoning

balvor877 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:50 pm

detrap wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:33 pm What part of this patch did they nerf knights?

- On Your Guard: This ability will now deal physical damage instead of elemental damage.

It sounds like a fix, not a nerf.

aa91837 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:54 pm

Secrets wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:44 pm

aa91837 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:48 pm MSH "Git Em" tactic and dmg unnerf when?

MSH was already at the WL's 1.4.8 'unnerf' values prior to this patch.

The big change here is WL's coordinated strike has its primary stat contribution changed from 1.0 to 1.5, which now makes it a mirror of Git Em!

i'm talking about this nerf


viewtopic.php?f=42&t=42971&hilit=git+em

imagine removing additional hit from CS?

CS and Git Em are functionally identical now. They both hit the target for four hits, 2 from the pet.

The 'nerf' you references is a tactic. WL doesn't even get that tactic.

Ramlaen wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:30 pm

Neverever wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:21 pm

Sponn wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:09 pm

SW has gaurd?

Didn't know that

Your bias is showing btw. You should roll a SW if you think they are so godly you will be very disappointed.

SH has a guard ?

He is clearly referring to how durable (tanky) SH are with squig armor.

Yes, I know. That's just like Assault SW. Sponn is the one who took the term Tank there in its literary meaning. Well yea the correct word should have been 'tanky' in the first place but that's hardly my mistake since I was replying to someone else who used it like that.

detrap wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:57 pm

balvor877 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:50 pm

detrap wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:33 pm What part of this patch did they nerf knights?

- On Your Guard: This ability will now deal physical damage instead of elemental damage.

It sounds like a fix, not a nerf.

In high armor meta isn't spell damage better than physical damage?

Secrets wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:58 pm

aa91837 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:54 pm

Secrets wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:44 pm

MSH was already at the WL's 1.4.8 'unnerf' values prior to this patch.

The big change here is WL's coordinated strike has its primary stat contribution changed from 1.0 to 1.5, which now makes it a mirror of Git Em!

i'm talking about this nerf


viewtopic.php?f=42&t=42971&hilit=git+em

imagine removing additional hit from CS?

CS and Git Em are functionally identical now. They both hit the target for four hits, 2 from the pet.

The 'nerf' you references is a tactic. WL doesn't even get that tactic.

Actually that's not entirely true both WL and its pet have more dmg than SH and squig. Yes functionally they are identical now but dmg-wise not. The tactic was a gap closer in that sense.

Paxsanarion wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:59 pm

detrap wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:57 pm

balvor877 wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:50 pm
- On Your Guard: This ability will now deal physical damage instead of elemental damage.

It sounds like a fix, not a nerf.

In high armor meta isn't spell damage better than physical damage?

In the current so called meta builds you aren't running OYG anyway, and a lot of players are wasting their time stacking armour. If it's not supposed to deal resistance based damage then it had to be fixed.

Grock wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:53 pm man we already went through the whole "not having on-demand 3k+ instacasts" come on

Apparently it was decided that we want the instacasts instead, as Git Em! was identical to 1.4.8 WL's Coordinated Strike. That was identical... for the better part of what, 2-3 months? And mSH is tankier than WL under every situation due to the way armor talismans interact with Squig Armor.

So this is more of a 'retuning WL up to match mSH's power', which was widely complained about on Order prior to this patch. There were more complaints about rSH instead of mSH despite mSH being a fundamentally better choice than WL would be when put in the same role.

On top of that, Order was better off bringing a DPS specced SM for ST DPS than a WL under every situation.

ALSO - When rSH can deal more damage than WL, and WL's 'bread and butter' is weaker than the 'mini WL mirror' that mSH is, and a majority of WL's damage was coming from an overtuned DoT that could crit someone for 2k regardless of toughness...

Something had to be done to even the scales here. And so, it was done, because it was factually needing done. Not because of any perceived biases.

xanderous wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:00 pm -NEW: Shadow Leap: A 30 ft pounce 'opener' core ability that additionally snares your target on landing.

No one was asking for this but looking forward to the engie self punt, slayer and marra pounce, BW charge and so on that will no doubt follow.

Witch Hunter where crying a long thread so they got armor debuff and as compensation we pounce...blame witch hunter pls.

Anyone has issue with bugged UI after patch?

Rumpel wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:09 pm

xanderous wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:00 pm -NEW: Shadow Leap: A 30 ft pounce 'opener' core ability that additionally snares your target on landing.

No one was asking for this but looking forward to the engie self punt, slayer and marra pounce, BW charge and so on that will no doubt follow.

Witch Hunter where crying a long thread so they got armor debuff and as compensation we pounce...blame witch hunter pls.

I give one side gold and the other side lead. Both sides got something. Why are you crying? ...