SH vs SW difference

[mursie]

How many more threads must the devs lock because two "adults" can't get their **** together?

As long as the following rhetoric continues in threads... there will be a response. Moderating the symptoms is temporary, it's better to address the source.

Couldn't be further from the turth. Amazing how you play both classes and still write so much nonsense.
Sustained dmg and burst: Really nice how you generalize (pro tip, it's not)
your only real argument is stinky has mained that class? Ye he has, but he's still spilling bullshit.
Playing t4 without runaway? Ye I see, sounds like a great idea. (Impressive knowlegde about groupplay right here.)
Stinky didn't even make a diffrence between armored and cloth classes. That's generalizing and spewing bs.
You need to understand, the reason you're getting beat is not that order classes are better, it's because you play like ****.
But I guess it's just easier to blame balance than to actually ltp.
If you really think spiked squig doesn't do a shitton of dmg to clothies,then you have no idea what you're talking about and should stop posting regarding sh.
Learn to read. Again.
Learn to pet.
Your reading Comprehension is really pathetic.
you seem like a slow guy I'm gonna requote my stuff
Learn to pet again.
I see you're one of the stats fanatic. Let me tell you, in 99% there's a better tactic to use than your shitty stat tactic.

[tomato]

As long as you're going full salt on every post from one of our guild members, misquoting, quoting out of context and just flat out lying you gonna have this...

[Penril]

You both really need to stop. One of you needs to be the bigger man and stop this discussion. Or if you want to keep at it, please take it to PMs.

[mursie]

As long as you're going full salt on every post from one of our guild members, misquoting, quoting out of context and just flat out lying you gonna have this...

None of those words above are mis-quoted. They are all yours, right down to the mis-spelling of truth.

None are out of context. They are all insults you levied in this thread. None were somehow a compliment that has been taken out of context as an insult.

None of the above has been fabricated. Each statement is literally from your own authorship within this thread.


If you want to talk about salt - let's talk about salt. Flaming someone's opinion and calling yours truth sounds like the beginning of salt. Further flaming with insults when your opinion is called out and questioned begets even more salt.

Calling someone a liar when in fact that statement is a lie is a classical demonstration of hypocritical salt.

I can continue but the point should hopefully be clear.

[Stinkyweed]

My "spilling bs" opinion is based on playing both the SQ and SW classes on live as well as here on RoR. Both Mursie and Thorondir have submitted their opinions with game data to support their argument. Tomato, your opinion is SQ can kill clothies faster than SW, based on the assumption that the spiked pet is alive and functioning properly. I disagree with your opinion, because the SWs abilities listed above, and the fact that against organized play squig pets are neutralized fast. I agree that SQ are effective against cloth targets and can kill unguarded ones efficiently, but my experience is that it has always been easier to do on the SW (since the mirroring).
I agree in T4 there is closer balance between the two classes. I believe the biggest issue players have with the current SW class is the unmirrored RKD on a 30sec timer. The original RKD was tied to VoN on a 3min timer and needed to be saved for defensive purposes, or offensive if you were trying to catch someone. The plan was for it to be removed entirely, but the SW community blew up. Instead of returning it to them as it was, they buffed it to the point where it is excessive. I can deal with their higher damage and better group synergy, because SQ are an annoying class to fight against and I love being annoying.

[tomato]

@Mursie
I'm not talking about those ones, they're all rightfully deserved.

I'm talking about you saying that: I said LS is useless. I said off gcd disarm is better than rkd,
and lots of other stuff where you just put words in my mouth, quote it partly or out of context to make your nonexistant arguments look better.

If I'm pointing out this stuff you just ignore it and come up with non theme relevant stuff or gifs.
There's no way someone could seriously discuss with you, as you only read what you want and ignore the rest.

[tomato]

My "spilling bs" opinion is based on playing both the SQ and SW classes on live as well as here on RoR. Both Mursie and Thorondir have submitted their opinions with game data to support their argument. Tomato, your opinion is SQ can kill clothies faster than SW, based on the assumption that the spiked pet is alive and functioning properly. I disagree with your opinion, because the SWs abilities listed above, and the fact that against organized play squig pets are neutralized fast. I agree that SQ are effective against cloth targets and can kill unguarded ones efficiently, but my experience is that it has always been easier to do on the SW (since the mirroring).
I agree in T4 there is closer balance between the two classes. I believe the biggest issue players have with the current SW class is the unmirrored RKD on a 30sec timer. The original RKD was tied to VoN on a 3min timer and needed to be saved for defensive purposes, or offensive if you were trying to catch someone. The plan was for it to be removed entirely, but the SW community blew up. Instead of returning it to them as it was, they buffed it to the point where it is excessive. I can deal with their higher damage and better group synergy, because SQ are an annoying class to fight against and I love being annoying.

Let's say it that way, "spilling bs" was used because you said your full dev rr40 sh gets outperformed by your green gear rr33 sw.

I'm not buying that. Not even a little.

I laid my arguments on why I think sw and sh are balanced beforehand and well, not going to repeat them again.

[Druin]

This again...

[Stinkyweed]

You can call it BS, but it's truth. Any time you want to log in your SW and SQ feel free to send me a msg. I am more than willing to jump in some SCs and oRvR with you and duo on the classes. Maybe you can teach me what I am doing wrong. I am always willing to learn and get better.

[mursie]

@Mursie
I'm not talking about those ones, they're all rightfully deserved.

I'm talking about you saying that: I said LS is useless. I said off gcd disarm is better than rkd,
and lots of other stuff where you just put words in my mouth, quote it partly or out of context to make your nonexistant arguments look better.

If I'm pointing out this stuff you just ignore it and come up with non theme relevant stuff or gifs.
There's no way someone could seriously discuss with you, as you only read what you want and ignore the rest.

I can't even read this post with a straight face. Absolutely hilarious.

Your LS comment was actually a concession by myself to you. You noted:

Not sure if stacking with DT on this server, if no ....... it's way less useful than ppl make it

To which I said - fine, if you think it is worthless so be it. In t4 this tactic and runaway won't be used on either toon's bar so debating its relevance in the power balance can be removed from the table. This is actually me conceding the point you made about LS. LOL! but fine - since LS isn't worthless... add it back in as to why the SW is yet again superior to the SQ. I'll take it.

Your comment on RKD. You noted:

Rkd is worse as defensive tool as it has a casttime (no instant disarm on we like sh can) and isn't off gcd.

If that means you aren't saying RKD is worse than disarm then so be it. Let's just keep it as exactly what you are saying which is "RKD is worse as defensive tool as it has castime (no instant disarm)."


Please show me the rest of my horrible out of context examples on your writings. I love seeing this stuff - it is comedy gold. please, respond with all of them. It is hilarious.