Scenarios- pre mades being douchebags

[sarcasmo95]

As a player who queues solo and with guildies Ive been on both ends of the massacre. The most common reason is one team has at least 1 balanced group while the other is the complete opposite. There is nothing more frustrating as a dps class than running around slowly dying because your not getting any heals or dying instantly because you have no guard. Even worse is playing as a healer/tank and not getting any kills because theres no1 on your team that can actually kill anything.

My solution would be something similar to wow where when you queue you do a role check and the scen wont launch until the minimum requirements are met.

[Penril]

Correct me if im wrong, but i thought this thread was about winning groups not taking the flags/murderball in SCs and just spawncamping. If i was correct, well, let me tell you all that this happens in Pug vs Pug, Premade vs Premade and Premade vs Pug.

[bloodi]

Correct me if im wrong, but i thought this thread was about winning groups not taking the flags/murderball in SCs and just spawncamping. If i was correct, well, let me tell you all that this happens in Pug vs Pug, Premade vs Premade and Premade vs Pug.

Yeah but everyone knows that if you are losing and they have 2 healers in the same group, is 100% a premade.

At least thats what i read in every losing sc.

"Guys we have to try to push past their tanks and on the healers"

"IMPOSSIBLE, THEY ARE A PREMADE"

Every **** time.

[Soulcheg]

Pugs may lose against other pugs as horrible as against premades. Don't blame premades for failure.

Nerf PUGs!

[Nishka]

Premades never suffer from random group composition, lack of heal or guard.
Also, don't underestimated the power of gear/rr. Premades usually consist of 32/40 players equipped with the best gear in the game avaible. Often they run special premade-only builds (how many 20% crit kotbses have you seen in pug?)
All for solely purpose to raise the self-esteem by curbstomping casual players
One way to fix it would be to make a scenario manager that takes player class/gear/rr in consideration and fills certain patterns. Like: a random group can consists max of 2 healers, 2 tanks and 2 dps.
But again, is it even possible?
Not to mention that even most "big" companies fail to make a good balancer. Notorious example - world of tanks.
So the separate queue for pugs and premades seems like the only at least somewhat plausible option.

[Soulcheg]

How many +20% KotBses have you seen in t3 at all? W/o stagger and kd, hm?

[Jaycub]

You can't separate pugs and premades atm with how low the population is. However I do think you could make a que manager that will make sure a group has at least 1 healer and 1 tank at the very least.

It would have to be able to discern DPS healer and Grace WP, and as far as "dps" tanks are concerned they really should be able to guard someone as well or they are just shiters tbqh fam.


Also we need a like level 30-32 que bracket, those idiots who cried about slow pops the 1 day we had a 32 bracket don't realize there wasn't enough time for everyone to level up and things to settle down before we could really see how it would impact pops. I'd personally rather wait an extra 5 minutes a pop if it meant I wasn't going to get a bunch of lvl 22 WHs who just feed kills all game.

[Kragg]

There's a difference joining a WB is easy as pressing a button, finding a premade that actually wants you takes at least 5-20 mins. Plus "How dare pubs want a balanced encounter, they should be punished for wanting to play with random people rather than pre-mades". Your argument is baseless as in pubs vs pubs you do cooperate with your teammates because you try to win, difference is there is general communication between randoms and then premades that just wreck pubs. Not saying either side should be punished, but there should be a solution to stop premades stomping pubbies. You know.. I understand people wanting premades and organised 6v6 combat, so have your own scenario where you can 6v6 in premades to your hearts content. Or improve the match making to only allow premades in the scenario tab to fight premades, and allow groups smaller than 2 to fight with pubbies.

Stop destroying pubs, dammit! I am trying to get a drink!

[Nishka]

You can't separate pugs and premades atm with how low the population is.

We have almost 1k of player in primetime, unless it's the "ghost bug" again
It's far more than off servers had had during the last years of their life.

[Scrilian]

Still no more than 2 scens going on simultaneously in EU prime time in T3.
#NerfPremades
#Pray4Puggies