[Suggestion] Change to Shatter Limbs

[Nanji]

Again i see a destro equivalent utterly underestimated.
Chop Fasta does not only counter SL for 20s, it also prevents many orderclasses from doing dmg and healdebuffing. Applying a necessary dot does no dmg most of the time, ignite boiling blood, sw dots, engi dots, onslaught SL to name some. This prevents dmg because gcds are wasted into op dok cleanse or st cleanse ( nice synergy with sham).
With a ttk like we have it atm and the inability for order to hd and pressure within the 20s I would say the cd of 2 mins is justified due to its long duration.

assuming order wb have 1x slayer in very party and destru have have 1 choppa in every party

choppam fasta--> 10 sec on 2 min cd in every party

shatter limbs---->40 seconds on a 20 sec CD on enemy wb (which is a lot better)


how is suppose to prevent those if i have always debuffed? kinda 100% of the time likewise order wb wont both SL front line before just rush on healer using shatter limbs to shut down our aoe heals.

Way also does always destro do their party countering something order have? we always have to counter you which make our party composition very strict.
Then aoe choppa is not an optimal damage dealer as slayer is and with the 100% update time of SL on front lines bomb sorc with choppa fasta is not possible.

Need cheese for your whine?
Afaik chop fasta lasts 20s, more than enough for a wb fight. Also this game is not balanced around wb vs wb with several classes being completely useless there.
A slayer is also not equal to a bw in terms of ae dmg so I would advice you to swap the class in your super mega purely imagined dream wb of doom.

[Tesq]

@nanji sy 20 sec on a 2 min coldown

cleary a 1 min and 40 seconds of every party under the effect of shatter limb is not enough for you order.

[Nanji]

Because wb fights last 2 min....

[Tesq]

Because wb fights last 2 min....

ye they do when all wb are with good composition. It also 1 of the warhamemr design points, prolonged battles.

so ... also by your point shatter limbs can be changed to 10 min CD right becouse if 20 sec are enough 2 slayer should be enough; do it alredy!

[Nanji]

A fight starts when the mdps engange. Skirmishing around doesnt count.
Premade wb fights on live lasted EXACTLY 20s (due to a bugged item but still).
Right now we dont have tb, making sorc/bw ae extremely strong and fights where both side commit wont last long. I dont see how you want to fight for 2min without having a severe l2p issue.

[Tesq]

sov wb vs sov wb fights last around 5 min ( well at least after the aoe was fixed)

1.4.0 meta is the worst meta ever and should't be take into consideration

[Nanji]

sov wb vs sov wb fights last around 5 min ( well at least after the aoe was fixed)

1.4.0 meta is the worst meta ever and should't be take into consideration

Where do you have that 5 min from? live? with tb defsets and no premade wbs ? if you poayed on azgal/norn you didnt have competition. I highly doubt those 5min because a well led wb decided fights in 20s not more not less. You dont know why and I wont tell because close to nb knows that sth was bugged and didnt work as intended. I personally found it out after years when premade wb didnt even exist anymore.

[Tesq]

sov wb vs sov wb fights last around 5 min ( well at least after the aoe was fixed)

1.4.0 meta is the worst meta ever and should't be take into consideration

Where do you have that 5 min from? live? with tb defsets and no premade wbs ? if you played on azgal/norn you didnt have competition. I highly doubt those 5min because a well led wb decided fights in 20s not more not less. You dont know why and I wont tell because close to nb knows that sth was bugged and didnt work as intended. I personally found it out after years when premade wb didnt even exist anymore.

I had these 5 min fights of 1 wb vs 1 wb/ mutiple wbs on karak azgal/norn; most before 1.4.0 roll out.
Add bugged stuff to why fight last less is not a point to your favour and also can be said to critize player pools on those servers :/

Still if a fight can be decide in 20 sec as you stated, nerf shatter limbs CD to the stars cuz it's should not be a problem.

-if it's not so much a nerf why oppose to it?????
-if it is: we can argument about it being necessary or not , which make x8 slayer wbs more than a relevant point in my argument.

[Nanji]

Your balance around wbs is invalid in the first place. Yet I was nice because i saw you needed education.
On live you had random wb fights with low competition. Long fights occured due to the lack of decent dps or dps at all. If SL had such a huge influance why didnt order win earlier. Order also has 8877655544789% crit.
Dont dream and write.
Concerning the bug you had and still have no clue, dont guess.

[Tesq]

We didn't had random wb fight, we had rvr night which were based on when order guild done their rvr night :/

It's stated in some of mine posts that when order won it done it easier due:

60% speed from 1 off set to all wb, rush on healer, cc immunitites, huge crit chances + shatter limbs (add variables in party composition) work done.

Also, those fight occured before x8 slayer build was a meta while it was instead 1.4 i previusly told ya; 1.4.0 meta is not something to aim for and so is to have x8 slayer with x8 wp which make the firstly a proc/debuff machine