Nerfed Buttons

[NoRKaLKiLLa]

Arguments for keeping NB in game:

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I think the bunny hopping should be nerfed

But you can script like me, too!

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If the consensus is strong enough I will patch the client and disable this addon. For now its allowed to exist, I don't know how long it will stay this way.

Can we also remove Enemy please? I find the UI changes and options it provides gives an unfair advantage to those using it.

I also want pure and target ring removed as it allows people to see me through walls when they otherwise wouldn't be able to.

kthnx

I really wonder why people want NB to be removed... it's free and available to try. Everyone can get it and use it.

"I can't play without it," player threatens to quit

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If the consensus is strong enough I will patch the client and disable this addon. For now its allowed to exist, I don't know how long it will stay this way.

Why would you remove NB Addon? Game can barely get 800 online on prime time. Surely starting removing addons because certain people dont like it is gonna get that population rate up Imho i would stop playing war if NB was removed from game(Who gives a **** anyway). Some classes really needs it. Like slayer/choppa for example.

Its not just 1 key buttom spam. For example IB/BG got quite alot of skills, and some of us dont have enough keys to be used to fill it out, so we use NB because we dont click.. I am sure you know this.

Time to make topics about addons i want to have removed aswell...

Player incapable of doing the thinking for his character

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This addon allows you to press 1 button which casts situational abilities for specific targets requiring no thinking, while bunny hopping. Why is this permitted?

Thinking? There are more important things to think about. Whats the fun of looking on your hotbar 24/7 instead of the fight?

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NB provides an advantage to the players using it vs. players not using it, IMO it should be banned.

I understand it may not be a popular decision to make, especially among the players that use NB who will probably flame this post. What I would like is some serious feedback from the NB users on why this addon should stay.

There are plenty of addons that provide an advantage. If all of those where to be removed the game would in my opinion be less fun. Even though I am not a fan of an addon keeping track of positionals and cooldowns I do not think nerfed button is that detrimental to the game. In case of doubt keep it as it was on live I would say.

Deflecting, and some classes are hard to play

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You missing the idea behind all or at least most addons. They were made to simplify game play and let u focus on actual action in game instead of doing unnesesary things.
Action bar color - obviously would u like to spam keys and wonder why they dont fire?
Anywheretrainer - yea, i got plenty of time to go to city to spend every extra point after lvling up,
Autodismount - that one is special, try use mount/dismount between every skill sequence - good luck!
Closed Goblin - thats the biggest cheat imo cause let u change armor + tactic set before every encounter with just one click...
GES - do u want me to type name of person I`m guarding? I can do it, but i dont guarantee i`ll be next to you every time... my typing is aweful:)
Yea, why even addons are alowed? WAR is complete product and shouldnt be altered with any exterior coding. Oh wait...
Just ppl get over it, addons are made for eveyone, they dont cost money, its your choice to use them or not. Dont be jelly that others do.

PS. On NB note - some classes get to lvl of other because of NB like SM compared to Kotbs, or SW and SH. NB "fixes" their fancy unique mechanic to compete with simple and boring Kotbs one.

It makes players better than they are

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I don't really think, NB has that big of an impact on tha game, as some are saying.
It will make a bad player into a medicore player, while making a medicore player into an acceptable one.
Things like equip, build, positioning, awareness, partyplay are the key to beeing a well played toon. If I'd have to guess, I think the top-notch player are using NB to a small degree to instantly switch to a special combo, once a special condition is up, while using most of their keys on their own.
So most likely the casual-player is using NB, that will enable him to actually enjoy the ride, instead of getting frustrated over 19+ buttons to memorize. And I higly doubt those player are actually optimizind their NB-setting to a point it is anywhere near 'perfect rotation'.

Sure, it's a 'learn2play'-issue, but that's the same with premades in SC, or fighting a zerk as underdog, capping BOs to end a siege, while defending them to continue sieging.
Most arguments end in 'get gud' and will stall.

Disable it and the impact will hit the casuals the most. Sure, it would be 'pure gameplay' again, agreed. And I can get, why some player consider NB a cheat, since it will enable bad/medicore player to archive actions, that usually are way above their skillset. But really doubt it would benefit the server more, than it would hurt it.

And before anyone will make that argument: I'm using NB to a small degree. Since it's there, I might as well use it for a few things. Same with GES, or any indication of where my guarded target is or whatnot. If NB is gone, I won't complain. If something like Enemy, or GES would get disabled, I'd have a harder time. *shrugs*

Player believes he can program a keyboard/mouse to script just as well as NB

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Without beeing particularly tech savy it should be possible to achieve similar results as NB with macros on a gaming kb or mouse. At least this was something that was brought up back on live when this was discussed and the argument then was that NB equalized it between people having/affording such hardware and those that did not.

Just checking my own mouse it seems quite simple to set it up so that each keypress always check if the reactionary ability "gutripper" can be use before the "main" ability on that key fires. If this is not possible to detect and punish it seems to me, from a practical point of view, kind of pointless to disable NB.

As a sidenote, the addon package included in enemy has a million times more impact on the game than NB ever will have. Talking about unfair advantages and cheating with NB while using enemy is hypocritical in my opinion.

Players that don't like NB are mad they got killed

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Most of you seem to forget PvP isnt just about setting up a rotation and mashing buttons, 90% of the work is knowing when to push/when to pull back, assisting, coordinating CC, having good situation awareness and generally just judging a situation, having good teamwork and being experienced.

When someone cries about NB you can bet that person got outplayed and needed to whine about something be it NB, xrealming or whatever. NB can be a pain in the ass as much as it can help you and that player who destroys you will destroy you with or without it.

As others have said NB isnt the only addon that can be seen to give an advantage over players who dont use it, the list is endless, for me i use it because i dont have a gaming mouse or 3 hands.

If ppl really must see it removed or changed just get rid of the conditional settings and if that happens it will be interesting to see what other excuses ppl come up with for losing.

Player doesn't want to have to pay attention to his hotbar

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I think you are right, but isn´t this an argument for removing it?
No more cries and if it doesn´t has an impact at your performance, it doens´t matter if it is available or not.

It will have an impact on some classes. Like slayer & choppa for example. Gonna watch that hotbar 24/7. GG

OP is a noob and is upset he got killed and is blaming NB, also deflecting to other addons

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Im sorry but if your are complaining about NB like the op and many others do its not because they go undefeated, its because they suffered a defeat and looked for a reason, its far easier to blame something you cannot control then to look at yourself and what you done wrong, whether they say this is the reason or not, its a whine, you dont see the more experience and better players calling for a NB ban, you see the weaker and less experienced players calling for a ban, dont get me wrong not hating, been there myself i use to spam csr reports back on live when i was new to the game purely because i didnt understand the game or i listened to hearsay.

As far as other addons, target ring and buffhead prolly play a bigger part because they allow you to see player icons behind things like buildings/keep walls etc etc, same for any addon that allows you to mark your guarded target and have the range so you dont stray 1ft out of range, its just easier to jump on the bandwagon and complain about something more commonly hated.

I play on a laptop with no mouse, using the touchpad, to save myself keys, 3 keys on my shaman, 2 keys on my choppa, 4 keys on my bw, 2 keys on my kotbs i use NB AND its it makes me do things like using an extra gcd to apply the same dot twice, having to reloadui mid fight as my key with cleanse(that also has shrug it off on the same key) has bugged out and i can no longer cleanse stuff, sure it helps me but it is also a pain in the ass.

I'm not sure what he's saying, but he likes nerfed buttons

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I cant be bothered to address all your points, mainly because you wont listen anyway, i will still be the guy you dislike so let me address 1 thing, dont list ppl as if they are against my comments and as if i am directing comments towards them, its a snide move(no surprise).

Bottom line is this, can NB help you ? yes, can NB hinder you ? yes, are there other addons that can play as big or a bigger part in certain situations ? yes, does NB play the game for you ? NO.

Like some have said go ahead and remove it as it will be interesting to see what the next excuse is when they lose.

And let me add these ppl you listed are not making NB threads or die and claim "cheat", thats the difference.

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so its mean if developers remove nerfed buttons, we will not see anymore whine in forum ? nerf that class or that class because i lose. for me GES and buffhead is bigger cheating, u can see buffs on enemy and u know how far is your guarded player and his name. i dont know what is that addon byt when u look how ather players play on youtube they know withch enemy is guarded or not.
i whanted to know wich addon ppl can use without ban and addons who is bannable. byt is till think if player dont know how to play game than nerfed buttons or ather addons will not help him. beacuse to use nerfed buttons u need to know how to make full potential from that addon, and new players cant know. so problem is old players not new

OP is crying, player threatens to paste something he posted some other time

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This thread is literally the same every week or so. Someone cries. NB is blamed. Devs handwring. People threaten to leave/quit. Little is gained (pandering) and some are lost (dependent NB users).

I should just go find the wall that I posted last time and keep it handy.

Player makes same joke another player made, proving he hasn't read the thread, OP is crying.

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You should make a forum bot, everytime a thread containing the word nerfedbuttons is posted it automatically posts your wall of text and closes the thread

And just to reiterate, the main reason ppl like myself feel the need to defend NB is because NB isnt the reason these threads popup, it comes down to someone not being able to understand how they died and usually involves getting killed by a bw or sorc in an instant.
I can respect the views and opinions of ppl who dont like the addon for proper/legimate reasons but not those who create NB whine threads ONLY because they cannot understand how they died and then call out cheat.

User of NB has to steer his character, so NB is not botting

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This is not botting. Botting implies the character is unattended and making gains without input from the player. This is macroing. A feature common in most other MMO's that have a plethora of skills and abilities. If you confuse these two terms, then our actions as GM's are also confused. Botting is very heavily punishable (permanent ban) use of macros is legal, and literally exists in several other addons as well.

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I have idea what next should be baned.

Mouse's with more then 2 buttons.
keyboard's with ,,gaming bonus key''
Why? Becouse not everyone use this.
people with IQ over 100, becouse stupid people can play this game too and this is unfair to fight with smarter ones.
If all this NB cries have sense, this 3 above have it too.

User of NB has to steer his character, so NB is not botting

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NB is not botting. You can't setup a sequence in NB and have your character automatically do it without player input. A player still needs to be present, which excludes it from our definition of what botting is.

Botting can be far more simple. It's full automation of your character without input. Literally setting it up and walking away from your PC while the character continues to farm mobs and collect loot.

Call it whatever you want, but as long as a player is present, they're not getting perm'd for botting under our rules.

We could use it in live, OP is a whiner

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nb was allowed in warhammer online, i dont understand all this drama with nb now, you guys begin to be more papist than the pope.
I read everything about the game are nerf, caps, bans and crys.

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Heard a rumour that within the next year you will have to buy a custom keyboard that fires nails into your face as you play. Also, you will have to wear sandpaper underwear to maximise the pain as you grind, and grind will be increased 400% so that only the true die hard fans remain.

Don't really care if the conditional checks get removed but would like the ability chaining thingy to remain, as I did lose both my hands in Viet Nam or something...

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Please ban miracle grow remix as well please. It reduces growing seeds to 1 click, too easy, no skill.

[drmordread]

NB does not do anything automatically other than disable unusable abilities.
The player still needs to push buttons
The player still needs to move
The player still needs to keep range
The player still needs to think ....

So .... crying about how NB makes everything automatic .... ???? Really???? How????

[magter3001]

This thread is entertaining... keep it coming.

[Grimmy7]

Didn't even know what it did untill now. My 2 cents;

I don't think an add-on that simplyfies PvP to the WASD movement keys has a place in a game that basically revolves around it. If AFK macro bots aren't allowed then why should "semi AFK PvP bots" be allowed? It just has no place here imho.

Well this makes me feel a whole lot different about the ORvR and scenarios. So yeh, time to start using nerfed buttons or go home?
Might aswell start learning how to use it now though, otherwise I'll always, ALWAYS be at a disadvantage against someone who just has to think about the WASD keys and not even bother with anything else...

I prefer it being removed over making everybody else start using a must-have addon to be competetive at PvP. I'm not above using it myself now though, knowing all this.... xD

[Jaycub]

NB lowers the skill ceiling and raises the floor by a lot.

Only shitters use NB, also I have yet to see a NB script/sequence that accounts for everything and the mara one posted can even be all pushed to one button, not exactly sure why its on 3 seperate buttons. And hes not showing the conditionals for each ability.

One example of many would be the application of claw on target, if there are no conditionals set he has to wait 3 GCD's to get the most powerful armor debuff destro has access to on the target when covering it depending on the situations might not be necessary. The faster claw is on the target the more damage it will take.

WP can't cleanse anything mara does, and as far as I know there is no conditional for "Is there a RP/AM in range of your target" and how likely they are to cleanse through hell even 1 deep (cleanse on order is **** compared to destro TY DOK GODS).

Only legit uses of NB is that of saving keybind space, for instance i use Shift+9 (NB#21) for crafted heal pot > officers heal pot.


Only bad players want NB to stay, good players stand to gain a lot of skill gap from NB being removed. This games tab target combat and nonexistent mastery/spec choices already dumb down the game enough tbqh oniifam

[Dalgrimar]

Only bad players want NB to stay, good players stand to gain a lot of skill gap from NB being removed. This games tab target combat and nonexistent mastery/spec choices already dumb down the game enough tbqh oniifam

Only good players make proper use of it tho.
+ its just a addon wich makes life easyer.
To give an example, a abbility wich can only be used if u are behind your target, if you arent using NB you wont ever be able to properly make use of that abbility as you will have to spam that one abbility while neglecting your main dmg abbility as you cant be perma behind someone.

[Ghostweed]

To give an example, a abbility wich can only be used if u are behind your target, if you arent using NB you wont ever be able to properly make use of that abbility as you will have to spam that one abbility while neglecting your main dmg abbility as you cant be perma behind someone.

Exactly this is the reason why its called a cheat! Its the same as addon which will tell me who has more APs to leech or addon which will autodisarm on parry

"Properly" my ass with all the respect.

[GodlessCrom]

Only bad players want NB to stay, good players stand to gain a lot of skill gap from NB being removed. This games tab target combat and nonexistent mastery/spec choices already dumb down the game enough tbqh oniifam

Only good players make proper use of it tho.
+ its just a addon wich makes life easyer.
To give an example, a abbility wich can only be used if u are behind your target, if you arent using NB you wont ever be able to properly make use of that abbility as you will have to spam that one abbility while neglecting your main dmg abbility as you cant be perma behind someone.

Don't play a class with positionals, problem solved.

[Shutyergob]

What does the sequence number mean? For example in the 3rd wxample, what does sequence 3 mean?

[drmordread]

Love it when people think that NB raises your level of play. I use it and I am still worst WH/WE/SW in the game!!!!