Saving Scenarios (the endangered species part of WAR)

[Penril]

The topic is about a player wanting same rewards for Scenarios as ORVR on top of the rewards he allready getting for it. I've allready explained the logic why ORVR needs better rewards then scenarios and why SC's allready have better rewards then it deserves.

Neither RvR nor SCs need better rewards. People should stop thinking about the carrots and just play for the fun of it. Try it, you might like it.

[peterthepan3]

The topic is about a player wanting same rewards for Scenarios as ORVR on top of the rewards he allready getting for it. I've allready explained the logic why ORVR needs better rewards then scenarios and why SC's allready have better rewards then it deserves.

Like i said: a great number of people who partake in scenarios/smallscale pvp on a regular basis disagree with you. If you don't partake in scenarios nor smallscale pvp that much, I don't see what your problem is if a few medallions drop in a 6v6 scenario. RVR in its current state gives much more renown, xp, purple bags, chances for gold bags and thus whole pieces of annihilator gear, etc. so I don't see how you can say 'better rewards than it deserves' when the PvP is quite often more intense/competitive, too.

My bad Penril. If anything, it just goes to show that even on live the devs were making changes aimed in a direction that wasn't wholly rvr.

[roadkillrobin]

ORVR needs a much larger population to work hence it needs better rewards. Its pure logic. The current reward system is fine imo.

[Penril]

Let me tell you about my premade last night.

I checked the Order/Ratio on the forums before logging in, and it was pretty even (49/51) so we decided to log on destro. We roamed Praag while waiting for SCs; they popped non-stop but unfortunately RvR was kinda boring since Destro had way more numbers. I checked the ratio again and it was 43/57 on Destro's favor, so we swapped to Order and roamed the lakes again.

Had a blast fighting larger numbers in several zones. We wiped Destro in Eataine, but immediately flew to TM (didn't even stay in Eataine for the Order flip). Wiped destro again and got a SC pop which we took (didnt even wait for the d-tick). At no point were we thinking about the rewards; we just wanted to find a good fight and have fun. And it was easy to do, just by looking at the O/D ratio and logging to the underdog.

As i said: people focus damn too much on the carrots and forget that you are supposed to play a game for fun.

[peterthepan3]

ORVR needs a much larger population to work hence it needs better rewards. Its pure logic. The current reward system is fine imo.

Why does it need better rewards when 90% of players don't like smallscale anyway (as has become very apparent here when people who mention it are gunned down/mocked) and will -logically- prefer to play ORVR in the safety of numbers? People on this server need to be enticed and encouraged to play competitively. I was playing in a 6man with mOrfee yesterday and, while it was fun, all I could see was the warbands from each side just to'ing-and-fro'ing, aoe wipe, rinse repeat. Even as a 6man, it was the easiest renown and medallions I have ever got. I even got a gold bag from a defense that I didn't really have to work hard at to get, and got myself a nice piece of annihilator. Very little effort required.

Penril noone is disputing the fun factor, but in an MMO there is always gear/rewards - particularly when the PvP becomes competitive as it encourages people to form groups not just to have fun, but to overcome their adversaries, win, and enjoy the spoils of war.

honestly i think the rewards are okay, but perhaps increased renown gain or a medal or two in a competitive scenario wouldn't hurt. if not, then that is completely cool! it's good to just discuss stuff anyway

[Penril]

ORVR needs a much larger population to work hence it needs better rewards. Its pure logic. The current reward system is fine imo.

Why does it need better rewards when 90% of players don't like smallscale anyway (as has become very apparent here when people who mention it are gunned down/mocked) and will -logically- prefer to play ORVR in the safety of numbers? People on this server need to be enticed and encouraged to play competitively. I was playing in a 6man with mOrfee yesterday and, while it was fun, all I could see was the warbands from each side just to'ing-and-fro'ing, aoe wipe, rinse repeat. Even as a 6man, it was the easiest renown and medallions I have ever got. I even got a gold bag from a defense that I didn't really have to work hard at to get, and got myself a nice piece of annihilator. Very little effort required.

Penril noone is disputing the fun factor, but in an MMO there is always gear/rewards - particularly when the PvP becomes competitive as it encourages people to form groups not just to have fun, but to overcome their adversaries, win, and enjoy the spoils of war.

Aren't Mercenary and SC weapons acquired with emblems? And those are BiS for several classes. That alone is a great reward for playing SCs.

[peterthepan3]

ORVR needs a much larger population to work hence it needs better rewards. Its pure logic. The current reward system is fine imo.

Why does it need better rewards when 90% of players don't like smallscale anyway (as has become very apparent here when people who mention it are gunned down/mocked) and will -logically- prefer to play ORVR in the safety of numbers? People on this server need to be enticed and encouraged to play competitively. I was playing in a 6man with mOrfee yesterday and, while it was fun, all I could see was the warbands from each side just to'ing-and-fro'ing, aoe wipe, rinse repeat. Even as a 6man, it was the easiest renown and medallions I have ever got. I even got a gold bag from a defense that I didn't really have to work hard at to get, and got myself a nice piece of annihilator. Very little effort required.

Penril noone is disputing the fun factor, but in an MMO there is always gear/rewards - particularly when the PvP becomes competitive as it encourages people to form groups not just to have fun, but to overcome their adversaries, win, and enjoy the spoils of war.

Aren't Mercenary and SC weapons acquired with emblems? And those are BiS for several classes. That alone is a great reward for playing SCs.

They are, and yes it is. The renown/xp is piss poor, however. Volgo's suggestion (caledor woods thing) is the one I was referring to when talking about medals dropping, as it would encourage competitive play - something i personally feel is lacking on the whole. again it's just food for thought.

[roadkillrobin]

If 90% doesn't like small scale but SC's still pops it eaither means that your stats are wrong or people do SC's to gain rewards. Wich means they are rewarding.

[Penril]

The renown is bad in SCs for 2 reasons:

1) Anyone who is rr40+ has his renown gains nerfed to 25%. AAO compensates this in RvR, but there is no such thing in SCs.
2) There are several players that are still low rr, therefore giving poor renown when killing them. On live this was not the case since pretty much everyone you fought in a T4 SC was rr70+.

Once people get to higher renown ranks, and the 25% renown gain post rr40 is removed, you will see much better renown gains in SCs.

[peterthepan3]

If 90% doesn't like small scale but SC's still pops it eaither means that your stats are wrong or people do SC's to gain rewards. Wich means they are rewarding.

i dont like orvr but do it anyway because i need medals/renown so that argument holds no weight