Return of Reckoning

Take him down Bretin, you go gurl!

Hey, no dissing on OYK when on ganking business. Too many times have some classes hopped up and magic lagged out of melee range.

Atropik wrote:

Penril wrote:Atropik, stop omnislashing

Okay, done.

You say these classes are all about "nukes" yet you fail to see the huge burst you can get in a WB spec.

Delayed huge burst, word "Delayed" is the key.

I actually like the "delayed" part of it. It means i can build frenzies/witchbrew on a target and, if i realize he is not going down, i can swap to a different one and apply huge initial burst on it, giving their healers almost no time to react. Of course, this works much better if you coordinate with your second dps first.

This is something that can't be done with other dps classes who pretty much have to start their rotations from scratch when switching to a new target.

mursie wrote: Serious question - have you used WB on this server? Not live, here.

If not, I'd suggest you try it. This is not the WB you remember. You are selling its new burst, very short.

Yep, for a couple of times, and you know what? Everytime they just run away from me, srsly. If youre up for all WB conditions then yes, damage is realy nice, even without IP, but this WE needs a personal tank to CC and snare, in such a case i'd prefer Mara to WE.

Atropik wrote:

mursie wrote: Serious question - have you used WB on this server? Not live, here.

If not, I'd suggest you try it. This is not the WB you remember. You are selling its new burst, very short.

Yep, for a couple of times, and you know what? Everytime they just run away from me, srsly. If youre up for all WB conditions then yes, damage is realy nice, even without IP, but this WE needs a personal tank to CC and snare, in such a case i'd prefer Mara to WE.

I will not disagree with you there. In sc's, the WE/WH need a snare-bot. It is crucial to deliver their damage. That said, I think this really goes for all mdps.

Penril wrote: It means i can build frenzies/witchbrew on a target and, if i realize he is not going down, i can swap to a different one and apply huge initial burst on it, giving their healers almost no time to react. Of course, this works much better if you coordinate with your second dps first.

Well the mechanic is really interesting, but for me better to kill someone with EW, then build frenzies while been looking for another target.

mursie wrote: That said, I think this really goes for all mdps.

I disagree. Its not that hard on all other mdps cause all other mdps have charge, pounce (wl) and snare abilities.

Atropik wrote:

Penril wrote: It means i can build frenzies/witchbrew on a target and, if i realize he is not going down, i can swap to a different one and apply huge initial burst on it, giving their healers almost no time to react. Of course, this works much better if you coordinate with your second dps first.

Well the mechanic is really interesting, but for me better to kill someone with EW, then build frenzies while been looking for another target.

I didn't say this happened all the time. More often than not, the targets we focuse melt. But sometimes you fight a super tanky target that just wont go down (has a good guard, he is being focused healed, he drinks pots, etc.). Swapping to a different target can be the difference between victory or a wipe. This happens to ALL classes in WAR; proper target selection/swapping is vital in any group.

Another thing WE has over Mara/Choppa is a core outgoing heal debuff (the Choppa's sucks). Going Suffering also means you get BLB, so you end up with a class that has inc/out heal debuffs (uncleansable by WPs) and this also lets your other DPS try whatever spec they want.

I'm not saying WE>Mara/Choppa/WH. I'm just saying that they definitely have a spot in a group and they don't need any buffs whatsoever (except maybe the ability to switch kisses while being in stealth, that would be really nice).

Getting this Thread back on track. So far we have the following suggestions:
1. Make Bullets/Kisses swap-able in stealth- I think this is a very solid idea.
2. Make Stealth time shorter in trade for a reduced CD- again i like this but could see it getting abused
3. Return the conditional removal from FP to Snap shot and Dagger throw- again this would be nice as it would make WE/WH have to decide on popping it for the KD or for the snare once someone got up

Any thoughts on any of these ideas?

Dear Penril, this girl makes me enraged, again:

Bretin wrote:who whould spec OyK for anything else than trolling?

I would, srsly, especially according to latency we have on this server.

Bretin wrote:a additional dmg proc for your attacks is not considered as burst? wow..

Delayed and spreaded over 1 minute, "you know how burst is determined right? high dmg in a short time period - in war 1-3 s" right?

Bretin wrote:mh can you provide some math to back up your logic about BF?

No, only my senses, and they told me "Go risky, go crit 1200 AW to 900, you the WE"!

Bretin wrote:you know how burst is determined right? high dmg in a short time period - in war 1-3 s. PA needs to hit 1 time to unleash its burst potential, so idk why we're discussing cd's.

And here comes the legendary WE burst advantage.

Bretin wrote:completely wrong. it just doesn't fit into the frontloaded burst rotation shebali teached you guys on youtube - thus you underestimate it.
WP is always worth the GCD and fits perfect into the WE's rotation. it's a great ability and almost always worth the gcd

My senses told me, shebali would made much more Damage Per 1-3 Seconds using AW instead of dot.