Return of Reckoning

M0rw47h wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 5:19 pm OP was correct: in any semi-competent environment that allows kiting, once you get staggered, punted, or slowed down during a fight that isn't stationary, it's really hard to reconnect without any form of engage ability (charge/pounce/pull) and dps WP/DoK can be kited for eternity with ease.

If you think dps WP/DoK shouldn't have a charge, why would WE/WH be allowed to have one?

gersy wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 6:45 pm try snare or flee + AP pot

Sinisterror wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 7:02 pm

M0rw47h wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 5:19 pm OP was correct: in any semi-competent environment that allows kiting, once you get staggered, punted, or slowed down during a fight that isn't stationary, it's really hard to reconnect without any form of engage ability (charge/pounce/pull) and dps WP/DoK can be kited for eternity with ease.

If you think dps WP/DoK shouldn't have a charge, why would WE/WH be allowed to have one?

We/Wh definitely shouldn't get charge, like Wp/Dok definitely shouldn't get shields.

M0rw47h wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 7:21 pm

gersy wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 6:45 pm try snare or flee + AP pot

I think after so many years spent in RoR, you should already know morales are quite useful in this game...

Sinisterror wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 7:02 pm

M0rw47h wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 5:19 pm OP was correct: in any semi-competent environment that allows kiting, once you get staggered, punted, or slowed down during a fight that isn't stationary, it's really hard to reconnect without any form of engage ability (charge/pounce/pull) and dps WP/DoK can be kited for eternity with ease.

If you think dps WP/DoK shouldn't have a charge, why would WE/WH be allowed to have one?

We/Wh definitely shouldn't get charge, like Wp/Dok definitely shouldn't get shields.

I agree, thats main reason why I said charge compotent should be tied to Great Weapon / Dual Wield (so not working with a shield).

Sinisterror wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 2:18 pm

Cullenn wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 1:58 pm

live4treasure wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 10:34 am

Over the past few weeks, every single thread generated on this topic has been from you. People tend to give you explanations on why DPS WP is just fine without a gap closer, or that it would need to lose other tools at its disposal in order to function this way. But it seems like what you do is you nod, and then post another thread. This is probably like one of those youtube challenges "Day X of posting a thread about WP/DoK needing a gap closer until they get one".

If so, go ahead, it's entertaining, but at this point there is literally no new information you can be presented with, and so frankly, the next steps is your threads will be taken less seriously, then after that, you personally, as a member of the community, will be taken less seriously. Up to you.

Yeah, you are correct, i apologize for repeating the same posts, i usually do them when i feel rage spikes of just trying to kill a rdps and being slow and killed and laughed at, sorry for that and you are right, i will try to avoid making posts like this, thank you.

Wow. Honesty and admitting you were wrong is pretty rare take here : D Gongratz

tsyuryu wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 5:43 pm then why 2h tank dont get a charge then ? they have same kiting problem as wp/dok

M0rw47h wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 5:58 pm

tsyuryu wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 5:43 pm then why 2h tank dont get a charge then ? they have same kiting problem as wp/dok

They don't have WP/DoK problems, as by equipping 2h weapons you don't change your purpose, you're still a tank. If you equip 2h hammer as WP for example, your healing is miserable compared to both hammer+book and hammer+shield variant as your purpose changes to DPS.

hordak774 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 6:08 pm DOC HAVE tough debuff wp dont !!

Avernus wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 6:44 pm As long as this DoK/WP has complete 0% healing - sure, why not. And, i guess, since you want to be dps - no res and cleanse.

Cullenn wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 7:36 pm

M0rw47h wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 5:58 pm

tsyuryu wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 5:43 pm then why 2h tank dont get a charge then ? they have same kiting problem as wp/dok

They don't have WP/DoK problems, as by equipping 2h weapons you don't change your purpose, you're still a tank. If you equip 2h hammer as WP for example, your healing is miserable compared to both hammer+book and hammer+shield variant as your purpose changes to DPS.

The skill i suggest for them to change, unstoppable wrath, gives you immunity to roots and snares, has 1 min cooldown, and need righteous fury to use, do you think would be fair for wp to have a speed buff? 10 seconds duration, not immune to knockdown. I don't know the DPS classes charge cooldown/duration/effects other than speed.