Return of Reckoning

I believe only tank that dont do any dmg In 2h is bg. Others fine.
SM strong dps spec spirit skills good gearing, many build options.
IB despise they lie they dont have dmg, base dmg on their skills absurdly high
Bork hit like truck, and have reflect from loadmouth.
Kotbs have ton of armor reflecting constant burning dot, woundcutter, good arp options even if he dont have armorshred.
Chosen same spirit spam as sm.

I dunno why they SHOULD have dps spec. All of them already have. Exept bg, no base dmg on skills, no arp options, nothing, but for some reason people think its ok.

I don’t like your idea at all.
Just make dps class.

We’ve just had a very successful tank/healer patch.
The devs certainly won’t want to revisit the tank issue.
They’ve got their hands full with the upcoming DPS patch and the bad WE balance.
Besides, the game still needs a lot of work, and ideas like that would turn everything upside down again.

Tanks have an absolutely staggering amount of utility. More than dps healers. More than normal dps. And that's assuming they won't use guard, even.

If you increased DPS tanks damage output to the level of DPS, they would have to stop being tanks, and lose much of the insane utility that tanks provide.

Yeah i would like to see wbs with 16 bos and 8 healers...
Tanks have just to much utility to give them the same damage as a normal dps.

Im in doubts. Vote 3rd option just because

On one hand, i can see potential in squeezing hybrids/offspecs into meta. It increases diversity and imo fun. But as has been mentioned already - how to evaluate fair tradeoff is quite a question in itself, what exact thing they have to trade? I believe a guard. Fully.

On the other hand tanks already can do quite some assist dmg in case healers and whole group is decent enough to support it. I cant see any major issues with any tank class at the moment, there is always a space for some QoL adjustments and tiny buffs, but overally i believe situation is fine as is. Any tank at the moment can be build incredibly offensive almost reaching pure ST DPS levels while maintining most of its utility. Efficeincy may vary a bit, but thats not important.

Third, and most important, will there be hammerer winged helmets for IB if your suggestions are implemented?

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think healers or tanks should have competitive off-specs for two reasons.

First, the game already lacks tanks and healers, which the scenario matchmaking update or a cursory glance at lfg chat has made abundantly clear. Allowing these classes to off-spec into a DPS role only exacerbates the issue.

Second, the developers already have difficulty balancing the existing dps classes. I don't believe they have the resources or ability to balance twelve additional classes on equal footing.

I think that tanks should have a valid off-spec (Both for PvP and PvE). So that you can 2H and still be usefull.

For example don't understand why 2H tanks are not better as a can opener (counter to regular tanks?) could bring a nice dynamic to the game.

I've been thinking about this since yesterday, and I think removing Guard for a percentage-based DPS increase is a bad idea for several reasons:

1) Solo tanks will become a bit too much powerful without any real drawback or conditionnement.

2) In a group, there's not much incentive for a tank to trade Guard for a bit more DPS, even if the tank in question already provides significant utility through buffs, punts, challenges, holding the frontline, etc.


No, I'll repeat myself, but I think that to make tanks more DPS-oriented, the principle of a tactic that make your damages increases on rear/backstabs , without a direct defensive trade-off would be a good alternative for several reasons I already mentioned in the previous thread:


1) Equipping an offensive tactic is already a trade-off compared to a defensive or utility tactic that can no longer be equipped in that slot.

2) Having to position yourself to the side or the back of your ennemies to increase your DPS encourages players to improve them to develop dynamic navigation and positioning strategies within melee combat.

This is not dumb free dps increase, you need to play to get it.

Lately I'm seeing more and more posts that go beyond class balance issues and end up discussing class design choices.

That's the case of defensive stealthers specs (especially WEs), shield healers (WPs and DoKs), now 2h tanks.

This is just my opinion but, while class balance can be discussed with numbers at hand, and problems can be pinpointed and resolved with those exact numbers by players, class design is more arbitrary: devs can do whatever they want, especially on a private free to play server, we can only express wishes, but can't really have any impact (at least not the same impact we can have when pointing out obvious problems thanks to numbers and statistics).

That's why I would prefer, for once, to see devs comment with their idea, their concept, their design of these specs, in this case of 2h tanks but it would be nice to have some insight regarding DPS and shield healers, stealthers, their roles in general, those specs' gameplay as envisioned by devs and so on.

This is not the case of OP, as this post is a survey basically, but maybe, and I know it's a big "maybe", people would stop complaining about specific skills and balance and whatever if they understood the idea behind classes/specs and had a glimpse of the whole picture, albeit a generic one.

All for this, would freshen up the solo meta which is basically dominated by WH/WE and dps healers.

WoW does it well with wars/palas, it may feeling jarring to some, particularly those that are a bit change phobic, but I think this could really freshen things up.

Would be tricky to do it without making dps tanks super op though in small scale / solo play, but worth a crack!!