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Re: WE is now dead
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:38 pm
by Ksekwlothreftis
nat3s wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:33 pm
crazyturkme wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:31 pm
nat3s wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:30 pm
As glass cannon, WH is significantly stronger than WE... HOWEVER... WE def regen (4 piece off sov, armour/tough talis and 4 piece vict) is strong than WH def spec and I believe def WE still beats BAL WH.
So... That's balanced + classes are not homogenised so both have elements of their own coolness. I personally love that approach, each class should have something cool about them.
as long as they keep nerfing WE's. more WE will go regen. I dont wanna play regen WE i want real dps otherwise i could play tank.
Why avoid playing regen? You're ignoring the meta if you go glass cannon, play a WH if you want to burst people down, WE is about dots/lots of tickle damage with good defenses. If you want WE to burst like a WH then huge changes would be needed to balance that out.
Jesus man, no offense but this is maybe the worst take ive seen so far xD.
Regen WE is a weird off spec, it is extremely unwarranted to balance a DPS class around it.
Re: WE is now dead
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:39 pm
by M0rw47h
nat3s I'm sure OP wants something more from his class than 1v1 troll build.
Re: WE is now dead
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:43 pm
by Shogun4138
crazyturkme wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:35 pm
nat3s wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:33 pm
crazyturkme wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:31 pm
as long as they keep nerfing WE's. more WE will go regen. I dont wanna play regen WE i want real dps otherwise i could play tank.
Why avoid playing regen? You're ignoring the meta if you go glass cannon, play a WH if you want to burst people down, WE is about dots/lots of tickle damage with good defenses. If you want WE to burst like a WH then huge changes would be needed to balance that out.
I dont agrree with you, old RA build was very good in dmg vise. each RA was critting around 1.2k which means 5k in 3secs. WE had more burst than WH before.
You assume they are high crit, wont get parried or blocked. So many people are stacking armor and or toughness.. without the armor pen from insane power ya got a noodle move. Plus its 5ft range.
Re: WE is now dead
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 7:00 pm
by nat3s
crazyturkme wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:35 pm
nat3s wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:33 pm
crazyturkme wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:31 pm
as long as they keep nerfing WE's. more WE will go regen. I dont wanna play regen WE i want real dps otherwise i could play tank.
Why avoid playing regen? You're ignoring the meta if you go glass cannon, play a WH if you want to burst people down, WE is about dots/lots of tickle damage with good defenses. If you want WE to burst like a WH then huge changes would be needed to balance that out.
I dont agrree with you, old RA build was very good in dmg vise. each RA was critting around 1.2k which means 5k in 3secs. WE had more burst than WH before.
Ah ok, never tried RA spec, went straight def on my WE. I see the RA changes in patch notes, how nerfed is it as glass cannon spec? 1.2k per hit before to what now?
Re: WE is now dead
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 7:24 pm
by Judarth
Feel you man. Just stoped play WE. I play WH. Range abilities for melee dps is insane. My condolences to ppl who don't understand it. All WH finishers usfull in diffrent situations. It's fun to play, have diffrent tools for difrent situation and use my brain cells to do right choise between them to get profit. I don't need jump becose I have my gun and I just shoot heretics with it, no reason jump on them at all. WHs have one minus they do not wear bikini or they hide it under jacket.
Re: WE is now dead
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 7:35 pm
by Gunlinger
crazyturkme wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 5:37 pm
I invite all the witch elves to join me and stop playing their WE's.
Yes! Please all witch elves join, so i can finally enter Praag again, without instantly getting jumped at by 4 WE's from 45feet away out of nowhere.
The ''fanservice'' back then, when they gave the WE the range part of the Witchhunters finishers, while ignoring her faster AA dual daggers, her leap and all her little movement speed selfbuffs, was already a big NO NO.
Oh btw!
OYK 30ft AOE - DG 30ft AOE
RA 5ft - TbP 30ft
SS 5ft - BaL 5ft
Pu 5ft - Abso 30ft
WB * -EW 30ft
BS 5f +25f AOE - B,H 5f +25AOE
* Self buff finisher, that hit's together with the next 6 hits.
- can be combined with 1 blood lust point Ruthless Assault to trigger 5 hits of RA and 5 hits WB at same time.
- Or turn the next 6 Throwing Dagger into 65 ft corp dmg 40% slow range attack.
So basically the 2 finishers where the WH has range and the Witch does not is Absolution and TbP. One is a single shot and the other one is a fanning shot series.
The 2 mirror finishers are a single dagger STAB and a series of STABS.
In contrast to that you get
- a finisher, that you can layer above every other following 6 attacks
- main class mechanic procs that are not bound to finishers
- several movement speed boosts
- an unmirrored leap
- Bikini
Re: WE is now dead
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 7:55 pm
by Bozao
WE just needs to fly... well, it already has the pounce most similar to WL... I see that the entire dest has something from the order, but the order doesn't always have from the dest...
Re: WE is now dead
Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 9:44 pm
by Shogun4138
Gunlinger wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 7:35 pm
crazyturkme wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 5:37 pm
I invite all the witch elves to join me and stop playing their WE's.
Yes! Please all witch elves join, so i can finally enter Praag again, without instantly getting jumped at by 4 WE's from 45feet away out of nowhere.
The ''fanservice'' back then, when they gave the WE the range part of the Witchhunters finishers, while ignoring her faster AA dual daggers, her leap and all her little movement speed selfbuffs, was already a big NO NO.
Oh btw!
OYK 30ft AOE - DG 30ft AOE
RA 5ft - TbP 30ft
SS 5ft - BaL 5ft
Pu 5ft - Abso 30ft
WB * -EW 30ft
BS 5f +25f AOE - B,H 5f +25AOE
* Self buff finisher, that hit's together with the next 6 hits.
- can be combined with 1 blood lust point Ruthless Assault to trigger 5 hits of RA and 5 hits WB at same time.
- Or turn the next 6 Throwing Dagger into 65 ft corp dmg 40% slow range attack.
So basically the 2 finishers where the WH has range and the Witch does not is Absolution and TbP. One is a single shot and the other one is a fanning shot series.
The 2 mirror finishers are a single dagger STAB and a series of STABS.
In contrast to that you get
- a finisher, that you can layer above every other following 6 attacks
- main class mechanic procs that are not bound to finishers
- several movement speed boosts
- an unmirrored leap
- Bikini
So we can spec all three trees now?
Re: WE is now dead
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2025 4:31 am
by Aethilmar
crazyturkme wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:25 pm
there are double WHs than WE tbh
Feel free to go look at the stats but both WE and WH populations have surged recently vs their long term (365-day look back) average in the rr60+ bracket.
WE are up from like 7% of total pop to nearly 12%
WH are up from about 7% of total pop to about 11%
That puts them at either the most popular or second most popular class on their side.
So, yeah, naw.
https://maartenson.net/ror_graph.html
Clearly both are a dying class and need more buffs.
Meanwhile poor BG at just under 5% of population played ...
Re: WE is now dead
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2025 7:15 am
by nat3s
Aethilmar wrote: Sat Dec 27, 2025 4:31 am
crazyturkme wrote: Fri Dec 26, 2025 6:25 pm
there are double WHs than WE tbh
Feel free to go look at the stats but both WE and WH populations have surged recently vs their long term (365-day look back) average in the rr60+ bracket.
WE are up from like 7% of total pop to nearly 12%
WH are up from about 7% of total pop to about 11%
That puts them at either the most popular or second most popular class on their side.
So, yeah, naw.
https://maartenson.net/ror_graph.html
Clearly both are a dying class and need more buffs.
Meanwhile poor BG at just under 5% of population played ...
That's a great site and proves something I've always suspected. Destro has pop advantage in T2+, but Order gets more kills than Destro in the lakes. Always felt Order is more dominant in T2+, good to see this hunch is correct. Debunks the morons talking about Destro being the stronger realm, clearly not the case, Order owning it.
