(WE) Help! with Def/regen

[Fey]

Personally I haven't been playing lately, but after my mate Gogokaboom hit 90 around this time last year we swapped to order with another buddy.

Between this and earlier stints on order I've played years of AM and RP healing the three of us, and I can't think of a single time a Regen WE was an issue for me as a healer. Honestly the one thing in my mind recently was that DPS DoK with perma chosen guard. That guy murdered me repeatedly, and I'd like to file a complaint.

This seems like a purely solo/1v2 issue. Again I was playing in a three man. If a def WE killed the three of us I would agree that tanky WB WE is an issue.

Regen WE is a single spec over performing in a single mode of gameplay. There are a good number of classes/specs that achieve this.

As a personal side note, the reason I never wanted to solo was WH with repel blasphemy, M1 parry, and riposte. I was too stupid to kite out the buffs because there was no buff head, notifications, et. Cetera.

Class balance is a fool's errand even with a fully paid dev team. That the latest dps patch didn't cause widespread apoplexia is a good sign

[Farrul]

The Def WE's overperformance is not in its ability to dominate everyone in 1vs1 or even less 2 good players in a 1vsx. It's almost an ''auto win'' against your average WB straggler player 1vs1 but it can be defeated by a ''real'' dueler and may even struggle vs certain classes( having myself a positive win ratio against them in 1vs1 on specs competent for duels).

So what is going on then? Why are players complaining none stop about it both in the forums and in-game? Are they all average 'pleb'' players struggling 1vs1 vs Def WE?

Here is the crux of the matter that devs in other games which are aware of overall balance will realize( it seems RoR devs are not so far) and remedy:

When you combine certain elements, like the element of surprise(stealth) with the ability to sustain( tank) and the capabilities to escape danger( aka get out of jail free card). Then you get a balance problem! This trio of elements is alway avoided in any game where developers are aware of the problems it creates.

It creates a toxic environment in the game where players will flock to these kind of classes to troll others, this creates a griefing environment in game, it is not good for the health of the server with a small population. The imbalance is that there is very little risk-reward gameplay in playing them. A weakness which is crucial for a stealth character which has the element of the surprise.

A WH for example - the only other stealth class in this game- does incorporate the risk-reward aspect since it is, here it comes.... squishy! But arguably one could say that even they got too much escape utility, for a ''def we'' however it is ridiculous. This issue far extends outside of 1vs1 or solo Def WE, multiple situations are there for imbalanced gameplay to manifest in, for example a bunch of them trolling on key-points in the map etc.

Short version, a spec like this will generally always be called out in most games by most communities, some devs may realize the issue others won't. Some players may defend it for the wrong reasons and other such as players with only egostic agendas(cares nothing for the game, only their own performance) could have a bias, but from a balance perspective they are controversial, best avoided altogether by never allowing it to happen.

[salazarn]

Def regen is very imbalanced.

Also now they have a free 1.5k wounds debuff and double jump it just cannot continue. Its too effective for no investment in actual damage.

If you want to do dmg and kill healers - actually invest in damage

[kleinbuchstabe]

haha look how cocky they become when you bring some critics... oh no, dont touch my broken OP build! How dare you! Its always the same process, and when it gets a nerf, the crocodile tears are running...

Oh and one more thing. You will also need a skill to ignore spineless whinners, who will always cry that you must play in builds that will be convenient for them to kill.
They usually dont have any problems with regen-WLs, who run in to horizen to restore hp and then back to show they unmatch duel skills. They dont have any problems with 2h KOTBs, who, after one of patchs, have like 100500 absorbs every 0000.1 sec. They also dont have problems with 2h SM, who litteraly stucking the same stats as WE, but have much more regen and parry. But they always will have problems with def/regen WE... Maybe its because they playing all this abominations and they dont like when someone can kill they precious builds? Who know... Anyway, just ignore such clowns and do what you want, cheers <3

Exactly <3

No, not exactly.
Of course nobody has a problem with tanky tanks. Obviously, because being tanky is the basic class mechanic of a tank. How can you bring this as a serious argument? xD
When a tank gets more tanky with lifereg, ok! Hes a tank, becoming more tanky by using a life reg mechanic, is absolutely fine, because HE IS A TANK! When a DPS class becomes tanky, it still could be OK, if it pays the price in less damage. But if an ambush dps class with stealth becomes tanky, and still kills everyone in 1vs1 or even 1vs3 against non max geared pug players, can easyly escape when it gets close, regs in no time, to come back and finish what survived - then maybe something is wrong, isnt it? Oh no, of course not! Better call people whiners, and act like theres nothing to see here. Ah yes and the hundrets of lifereg WE roaming the lakes these days... just a coincidence... probably fluff reasons to see some bikinis in winter time. Got it.

[Deadpoet]

Oh and one more thing. You will also need a skill to ignore spineless whinners, who will always cry that you must play in builds that will be convenient for them to kill.

It is amazing how some people will immediately escalate to insult. If you read CRITICISM of an IDEA and respond with INSULTS to PEOPLE, you might be skipping some steps in the process, and justifying other people flinging abuse at you in just retribution. It suggests a hysterical fear of losing something very precious. Rest easy, lol, def/regen WE has escaped the patch and will probably never be touched again in years, or ever.

It made me chuckle that you call us "spineless whin(n)ers" and then you "argue" your point by WHINING about some other classes. Lol. Also hilarious that you use "spineless". I'll leave you to figure out why.

[geezereur]

If you nerf deff life regen witch elf they should nerf most of these regen specs maybe remove life regen items from the game at least or make heal debuff count for life regen.

[Pesteavino]

I have a 80 WE and i dont have regen spec , i suppose thats is why i die so much.Now i have a WH and i see that the jump skill in stealth and bonus corporal damage are simply a nosense to be exclusive for WE.

My point is , im an "assasin" class, so i must have burst , some escape skills , but be squishy, if im DPS theres no point to let my class be tank as a real tank