Return of Reckoning

JohnnyWayne wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 11:58 am

Alubert wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 11:05 am Before the changes related to SC matchmaking come into effect, you can quickly deal with prem farming pugs.

Yes and you had range premades withdrawing into guards or warcamps to farm enemies. And no, you could not just "let them be" that is not something you can do against a range premade that consantly harrases you. Until a better solution is found, this is certainly the better of the two bad ones that currently exist.

One idea is making the barriers passable again after like 30 seconds once you passed them.

So what?
If they don't want to, they don't have to attack the WC.
The point is that the opponent shouldn't be able to get a free kill just because you crossed the barrier.

Especially since we all know how mele train vs Rdps ends.

Rdps has to kite, and if there's nowhere to go, i.e. the WC, it equals a dead Rdps.

To those who don't see the problem.
Imagine that the devs come up with a wonderful idea (like they did with barriers in SC) and surround the entire ORVR with a barrier, including the WC. Once you leave, you can't come back.

I see that there are those who still don't see what is obvious to others. Like back when some defend SL broken Rampage.

Alubert wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 2:46 pm

JohnnyWayne wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 11:58 am

Alubert wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 11:05 am Before the changes related to SC matchmaking come into effect, you can quickly deal with prem farming pugs.

Yes and you had range premades withdrawing into guards or warcamps to farm enemies. And no, you could not just "let them be" that is not something you can do against a range premade that consantly harrases you. Until a better solution is found, this is certainly the better of the two bad ones that currently exist.

One idea is making the barriers passable again after like 30 seconds once you passed them.

So what?
If they don't want to, they don't have to attack the WC.
The point is that the opponent shouldn't be able to get a free kill just because you crossed the barrier.

Especially since we all know how mele train vs Rdps ends.

Rdps has to kite, and if there's nowhere to go, i.e. the WC, it equals a dead Rdps.

To those who don't see the problem.
Imagine that the devs come up with a wonderful idea (like they did with barriers in SC) and surround the entire ORVR with a barrier, including the WC. Once you leave, you can't come back.

I see that there are those who still don't see what is obvious to others. Like back when some defend SL broken Rampage.

If you had the urge to redesign a whole mood in order to catch certain classes, it is completely wrong.
Is either a problem with balanced class has or ,as a player, not being skilled enough to deal with that class.

saupreusse wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 1:05 pm

JohnnyWayne wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 11:58 am

Alubert wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 11:05 am Before the changes related to SC matchmaking come into effect, you can quickly deal with prem farming pugs.

Yes and you had range premades withdrawing into guards or warcamps to farm enemies. And no, you could not just "let them be" that is not something you can do against a range premade that consantly harrases you. Until a better solution is found, this is certainly the better of the two bad ones that currently exist.

One idea is making the barriers passable again after like 30 seconds once you passed them.

Are you sure this is real and not pretend? It's a non issue if you get farmed near the enemy warcamp. What are you even doing there? Spawncamping? If so you should be punished for it and it's good the enemy sniped you. I can't think of one scenario where the spawn is so close to an objective that it would matter. Please explainand give an example of a scenario where this matters (excluding 6v6 ranked).

Logrin's forge and high pass cemetary are two. Ironically, logrin's forge is one of the scs that still has guards and no barriers. However, it'd be a lot easier to just remove those from the rotation or add guards to them only.

georgehabadasher wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 4:04 pm

saupreusse wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 1:05 pm

JohnnyWayne wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 11:58 am


Yes and you had range premades withdrawing into guards or warcamps to farm enemies. And no, you could not just "let them be" that is not something you can do against a range premade that consantly harrases you. Until a better solution is found, this is certainly the better of the two bad ones that currently exist.

One idea is making the barriers passable again after like 30 seconds once you passed them.

Are you sure this is real and not pretend? It's a non issue if you get farmed near the enemy warcamp. What are you even doing there? Spawncamping? If so you should be punished for it and it's good the enemy sniped you. I can't think of one scenario where the spawn is so close to an objective that it would matter. Please explainand give an example of a scenario where this matters (excluding 6v6 ranked).

Logrin's forge and high pass cemetary are two. Ironically, logrin's forge is one of the scs that still has guards and no barriers. However, it'd be a lot easier to just remove those from the rotation or add guards to them only.

LF and HPC BOs have close BOs, but not enough close for rdps to snipe everybody from WC.
LF sc Guards are just dolls at the background, same as HPC (in case enemy is punted inside the WC, we don’t want them to die by guards… God forbid it).
SP is even more laughable bc weapons inside WC, behind barriers, doesn’t work at all, just like BfP.
And so on… for the exception of DB, that doesn’t have barriers but got guards outside of the WC. -edit- and RF.

We have discussed this issue for years, even Devs made a thread asking us how to improve scenarios, pages of good ideas and how to make them great again. Thread was lost through out the years and not a single idea taking into consideration.
As someone pointed out already, got no hopes of them being great again, mostly for the fact of united currency, which made em irrelevant.