Return of Reckoning

nocturnalguest wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 1:19 pm Reading all this feels like im on a gathering of somekinda Cult... Really folks, who has proved that WS is a useless stat for SM? Who was that person? What data backs it up? How do you even type such stuff while its plain simple to just check reality on killboard?
Here is a quick guide:
- pick any proper SM who plays in group
- click on "Details" button in "Kills" section
- look up contribution into kill
- rinse and repeat

Look, an example https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/52553581
Look different kills and phys skills+AA contribution for kill damage.

Useless? No. Is there ANY stat that you would switch for WS as SM? No. Which means that WS is "better than nothing". No more, no less.

Avernus wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:44 pm Useless? No. Is there ANY stat that you would switch for WS as SM? No. Which means that WS is "better than nothing". No more, no less.

You are absolutely correct.

This tho leads to a following - why SM should benefit better then other tanks? inb4 tanks has had different stuff, different weapons etc but that logic is on purpose no longer applied and everything is unified. Why should sets be alternate for SM? SM uses WS, title is incorrect. If so why sets shouldnt be alternated for rest of tanks who all has something special.
Im just saying that this topic is as "useless" as screaming in a desert. Nothing to actually discuss here /shrug

Let's all be honest, the removal of Parry to Wep Skill should be reconsidered. Just 1/2 the bonus it previously provided to Parry or come up with a formula for any stat that provides both Offensive and Defensive benefits.

Illuminati wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 3:10 pm Let's all be honest, the removal of Parry to Wep Skill should be reconsidered. Just 1/2 the bonus it previously provided to Parry or come up with a formula for any stat that provides both Offensive and Defensive benefits.

Agree. At least for 2h tanks. Maybe some other tweaks required for MDPS, but 2h tanks suffer after this one for nothing. MDPS WS-parry issue is debatable, but still it would be much easier to just revert and adjust something else RoR team may consider wrong

nocturnalguest wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:56 pm Why should sets be alternate for SM? SM uses WS, title is incorrect. If so why sets shouldnt be alternated for rest of tanks who all has something special.
Im just saying that this topic is as "useless" as screaming in a desert. Nothing to actually discuss here /shrug

I have the other question - why bother to create armor with set bonuses like that? I mean, you might as well do nothing at all, i understand that conq and the rest of those garbage tier sets are old and outdated, but to add more junk into this pile...why?

Avernus wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 3:18 pm I have the other question - why bother to create armor with set bonuses like that? I mean, you might as well do nothing at all, i understand that conq and the rest of those garbage tier sets are old and outdated, but to add more junk into this pile...why?

You are very close to summon Sinisterror once again in this thread!

On a serious note, good question indeed, but when its more logical and productive (imo!) to raise questions against unified copycat sets and tanks itemization rather then create useless topics with nothing interesting to discuss.

Illuminati wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 3:10 pm Let's all be honest, the removal of Parry to Wep Skill should be reconsidered. Just 1/2 the bonus it previously provided to Parry or come up with a formula for any stat that provides both Offensive and Defensive benefits.

This discussion is thankfully behind us.
Ini/ws change was one of the most logical changes on this server.
It was absolute stupidity that one stat gave offensive bonuses and defensive bonuses.
The change is logical and good. Learn to live with it.
I don't know what the problem is?
If you want to have parry you choose initiative. Unless you want to hit hard like mdps and be tough like tank?
Fortunately, reason is starting to prevail on this server.
As for chosen/sm. Enough they have an advantage over others that one ws bonus will cancel out that advantage.

Malessar wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 5:55 pm Chosen and swordmaster aren't inherently op as to justify them being punished over other classes, being given a set that is subpar what it would be to a black orc or a kotbs. It serves no purpose or reason.

Please make an alternative that simply replaces the ws for spirit damage. They get subpar items for the same amount of effort and it doesn't have any reason, it just is.

so true agree 100% SM need alternative gear compare to other tanks with spirit resist debuff

hordak774 wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 4:21 pm

Malessar wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 5:55 pm Chosen and swordmaster aren't inherently op as to justify them being punished over other classes, being given a set that is subpar what it would be to a black orc or a kotbs. It serves no purpose or reason.

Please make an alternative that simply replaces the ws for spirit damage. They get subpar items for the same amount of effort and it doesn't have any reason, it just is.

so true agree 100% SM need alternative gear compare to other tanks with spirit resist debuff

What? Are people THAT bad that they consider using WoH beneath them? Unless they'll be stacking...but if they will - why delete Heaven's Blade in the first place?

hordak774 wrote: Wed Aug 20, 2025 4:21 pm

Malessar wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 5:55 pm Chosen and swordmaster aren't inherently op as to justify them being punished over other classes, being given a set that is subpar what it would be to a black orc or a kotbs. It serves no purpose or reason.

Please make an alternative that simply replaces the ws for spirit damage. They get subpar items for the same amount of effort and it doesn't have any reason, it just is.

so true agree 100% SM need alternative gear compare to other tanks with spirit resist debuff

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't SM have aoe spirit resist debuff?