[suggestions] LV GEAR

[Dezibagel]

I am of the complete opposite opinion - I think the powerful sets are way too powerful. It's also very unevenly distributed among the archetypes (mdps got the shaft lol).

Ex. in the situations where you don't need sovspeed (ex. static defences), having one tank which doesn't need the stats (ex. BG) with blissful 7pc is obv. optimal. (Esp. destro) And that's messed up imho. Some of the weps are also obv. very good, even situationally BiS.

I don't think pve sets should be even close to BiS. I think there are too many runs required for both LV and BS (that was upped/changed right? I don't seem to recall needing 4 BS runs for the ward, or am I crazy?). If you want to give the players the option to gear via PvE, then make it an actual option i.e. make all the gear also PvP:able.

On that note, if maybe slightly off topic: War Crest costs for BiS are too damn high. The fact that lower tier PvP sets (with some exceptions) are mostly just new player bait is silly. RR should be the progression bottleneck imo and not crests for normal play (Inb4 @: Unless you spend your entire levelling time between surf-/roachmaxing with friends that pass crests and PvDoor that is not the case atm.) the way they both work right now.

Just a hunch/guess here, but I don't think many people progess/gear their chars with the intention of PvE:ing more efficiently. Rather I think most of the playerbase want the gear so they can use it to PvP with. Banal, but I think that simple thought is enough of an argument that PvP should be the way to progress and gear.

[Alubert]

More option = better

[gersy]

no, definitely not

if you added a ring or pocket which contributed towards the set bonus then LV gear would be instantly bis for majority of roles/classes/builds

this was done intentionally so that pve gear would not powercreep warlord/sov any further than it already has, like HV ring and bloodlord weapons

pve gear should NEVER be bis in a game which is almost entirely focused on pvp. it entirely defeats the point of a pvp game if you can do 4 hours of dungeons and receive better loot than something which requires dozens or hundreds of hours of pvp

[punkshit]

no, definitely not

if you added a ring or pocket which contributed towards the set bonus then LV gear would be instantly bis for majority of roles/classes/builds

this was done intentionally so that pve gear would not powercreep warlord/sov any further than it already has, like HV ring and bloodlord weapons

pve gear should NEVER be bis in a game which is almost entirely focused on pvp. it entirely defeats the point of a pvp game if you can do 4 hours of dungeons and receive better loot than something which requires dozens or hundreds of hours of pvp

These Dungeon Sets can't be BIS in any way, even the ring won't let them replace meta builds but will give them the opportunity for variability.
I didn't say that we need to give jewelry for the 3rd slot as a triumphant, I was talking about regular jewelry as HV so that this PVE won't be forgotten in 2 weeks.

[leftayparxoun]

These Dungeon Sets can't be BIS in any way, even the ring won't let them replace meta builds but will give them the opportunity for variability.

Every set with sufficiently high ilvl or uniquely good set bonuses has the potential to become BIS. And Lost Vale sets check both criteria.
I will not claim that if a Darkpromise ring were to be added ALL classes would have a Darkpromise mix as part of their BIS, but the majority would in at least some aspects of the game.
From a quick glance here's what I'd say would have a Darkprimise mix for BIS in that case: all the tanks (arguably already), DOK/WP, Shield DOK/WP, Zealot/RP, all the melee dps (arguably already), Magus (arguably already), Engi, Sorc/BW.

I didn't say that we need to give jewelry for the 3rd slot as a triumphant, I was talking about regular jewelry as HV so that this PVE won't be forgotten in 2 weeks.

That would be even worse in terms of powercreep since it would allow them to be mixed with Triumphant/Victorious gear and also in other 4-3-3 mixes.

[gersy]

no, definitely not

if you added a ring or pocket which contributed towards the set bonus then LV gear would be instantly bis for majority of roles/classes/builds

this was done intentionally so that pve gear would not powercreep warlord/sov any further than it already has, like HV ring and bloodlord weapons

pve gear should NEVER be bis in a game which is almost entirely focused on pvp. it entirely defeats the point of a pvp game if you can do 4 hours of dungeons and receive better loot than something which requires dozens or hundreds of hours of pvp

These Dungeon Sets can't be BIS in any way, even the ring won't let them replace meta builds but will give them the opportunity for variability.
I didn't say that we need to give jewelry for the 3rd slot as a triumphant, I was talking about regular jewelry as HV so that this PVE won't be forgotten in 2 weeks.

Actually a lot of them WOULD be bis if there was a ring like HV ring added to it, it does not need to be a slot 3 ring - in fact it would be better in many cases if it was not a slot 3 ring.

Similar to how there is existing certain, albeit niche, HV bis mixes like 5sov/3tri/2hv on WH/WE due to the ring. If you look at the itemization of these LV items, for most classes, you would instantaneously have bis mixes using the set if there was a ring added.

For example the LV gear for some classes is giving crit chance on chest or belt, where it is not available for any other set item on those classes, in those cases you would see 5/2/2, 5/3/2, 3/3/3 mixes utilizing 2-3 DP pieces as part of your hard bis.

As an example, we can look at DP chest or blissful DP belt for mdps. Having 2% crit on the DP main chest and blissful DP belt which are not available in other gear sets for melee and having Str (main) or WS (blissful) within the 2pc bonus. It's clear to see how if there was a ring you would be able to mix it easily and create new bis setups such as 5sov/3tri/2dp on classes, or in group compositions, which do not require 4tri proc. It's the same across other archetypes too; 2h tanks, healers and ranged dps could do this as well with slots like the cloak giving 3% parry, +range bonus, etc.

Personally I am all for giving players more options with endgame sets as there is a clear lack of unique mixing options, don't get me wrong there. I will love if there is more options. However I do not believe that this should come from pve, as this is a pvp centric game, rather it should come from a complete rework of endgame pvp sets like triumphant, victorious, warlord and sovereign.

[Nameless]

It doesnt matter from where will come just give more options cos now it is pretty stale. Devs could make warlord and invader more relevent simply as remove their rings slot limitation or if that is considering as more power creep allow wr and inv rings to occupy both slot 3 and 4 so they could be used instead of triumph and vic

[tefnaht]

RR should be the progression bottleneck imo and not crests for normal play

If you start new toon and spend all the time in oRvR(probably with some mid tier SC) and newer use renown pots - RR will be the limitation. On one char I done this, all pvp sets with vanq included(some pieces from AH, some from bags, some from vendors) get fortress 1h, 4 pieces of triumphant... and at 72rr already have 8000+ war crests. With this rate, at rr78 it would be BiS setup with ring and still with some crests in bag. But on chars where 99% playtime was with renown pots at 76-77rr only crests for sov and this with use only PvE gear(+ fortress weapons).

[rest]

now I would be worried about the relevance of LV, when the City has been in complete stagnation for the third year

[Emissary]

We discussed adding a ring and decided against it due in a lot part to what several other posters have already stated. We look forward to any suggestions, thoughts or etc. However, yes this was thought about and decided to not pursue the ring route.