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DPS doks are just a better mara now that they have 1600 armor debuff. The only thing mara has is pullwildwindblows wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 9:33 pm Mara is not needed at all.
İt is not the only class anymore. which have the best armor db.
There are better options.
Xumae wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:35 pmDPS doks are just a better mara now that they have 1600 armor debuff. The only thing mara has is pullwildwindblows wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 9:33 pm Mara is not needed at all.
İt is not the only class anymore. which have the best armor db.
There are better options.
+dps dok kills the target faster than Mara, and overall the damage is higher.Xumae wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:35 pmDPS doks are just a better mara now that they have 1600 armor debuff. The only thing mara has is pullwildwindblows wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 9:33 pm Mara is not needed at all.
İt is not the only class anymore. which have the best armor db.
There are better options.
Absolutely true, maras need 50% piercing bite back. And even then I think doks will still out damage them. it doesn't apply to auto attacks which is a lot of your damage. Sanguinary Extension while drowning in blood does 1600 dmg baseline btw x) also dont mention 1v1, this game is balanced around 3000vs3000 remember :^)Reivren27 wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 3:19 am+dps dok kills the target faster than Mara, and overall the damage is higher.Xumae wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:35 pmDPS doks are just a better mara now that they have 1600 armor debuff. The only thing mara has is pullwildwindblows wrote: Tue Aug 12, 2025 9:33 pm Mara is not needed at all.
İt is not the only class anymore. which have the best armor db.
There are better options.
P.S. Marauder loses 1v1 dps wp almost without a chance.
Xumae wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 4:11 am Absolutely true, maras need 50% piercing bite back. And even then I think doks will still out damage them. it doesn't apply to auto attacks which is a lot of your damage. Sanguinary Extension while drowning in blood does 1600 dmg baseline btw x) also dont mention 1v1, this game is balanced around 3000vs3000 remember :^)
- Gift of Brutality - When affected by the buff of Gift of Brutality, your auto attacks gain 25% armor penetration in addition to its current effects.
Reason why Piercing Bite 50% In live War was so good because it was working on every attack, even auto attacks. This was bug that was never fixed and made mara POWERFUL. Piercing bite should at least add 35% Armour pene Additive and work on Autoattacks doesnt matter what stance. If Brutality added 25% AA dmg and piercing bite affected AA that would be noticable.leftayparxoun wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 9:02 amXumae wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 4:11 am Absolutely true, maras need 50% piercing bite back. And even then I think doks will still out damage them. it doesn't apply to auto attacks which is a lot of your damage. Sanguinary Extension while drowning in blood does 1600 dmg baseline btw x) also dont mention 1v1, this game is balanced around 3000vs3000 remember :^)
Old 50% Piercing Bite was multiplicative, while new 25% Piercing Bite is additive. This means that as long as you have 50% armor penetration without it, then the new version is better (To be exact: 50% + whatever reduced armor penetration the enemy has). Essentially this was a ST Mara nerf (~38% pen) but an AOE Mara buff (~85% pen).
A few months after that change, Mara received a significant buff to his Brutality stance:- Gift of Brutality - When affected by the buff of Gift of Brutality, your auto attacks gain 25% armor penetration in addition to its current effects.
That pretty much offset the Piercing Bite change and perhaps buffed Mara ST damage to levels higher than before.
For that claim and for comparison with current ST dwDOK I am not exactly certain since I do not play those specs and I also have not done specific calculations on it.
Didn't know that, thanks for the info.leftayparxoun wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 9:02 amXumae wrote: Wed Aug 13, 2025 4:11 am Absolutely true, maras need 50% piercing bite back. And even then I think doks will still out damage them. it doesn't apply to auto attacks which is a lot of your damage. Sanguinary Extension while drowning in blood does 1600 dmg baseline btw x) also dont mention 1v1, this game is balanced around 3000vs3000 remember :^)
Old 50% Piercing Bite was multiplicative, while new 25% Piercing Bite is additive. This means that as long as you have 50% armor penetration without it, then the new version is better (To be exact: 50% + whatever reduced armor penetration the enemy has). Essentially this was a ST Mara nerf (~38% pen) but an AOE Mara buff (~85% pen).
A few months after that change, Mara received a significant buff to his Brutality stance:- Gift of Brutality - When affected by the buff of Gift of Brutality, your auto attacks gain 25% armor penetration in addition to its current effects.
That pretty much offset the Piercing Bite change and perhaps buffed Mara ST damage to levels higher than before.
For that claim and for comparison with current ST dwDOK I am not exactly certain since I do not play those specs and I also have not done specific calculations on it.