Return of Reckoning

i campaigned for them to give charge to 2h WP/dual dok so that they could function like any other melee dps but it didn't work :/

devour essence got nerfed. dmg wise. super hard actually.
instead of devour essence, wp gets a 100somehing wounds buff for the entire grp. perma up with 1h duration.

both abilities are NOT mirrored on the opposite faction.

same as for guilty soul build up. dok doesnt have that but other things instead.
also dont forget that a 2h grants flat 10 strikestroughand got fancy procs on it, compared to dual wield weapons with a small dmg proc and 10 parry.

Not saying one is better or worse than the other. But to keep changes balanced is quite hard because the wounds buff on wp and the cov on dok is affecting whole grps or wb and not just the class itself.

and balancing is done for grp (2nd) or wb(1st) setting not 1on1 or 2on2. stated multiple times already

Wp healer is right now super op because of the 375 absorb aura. The thing is if my 2h wp was on destro side would be easier to roam because am not fighting against better kiting classes. The reason WL soo strong is that they counter the the destro classes with kiting. WP 2h would be good if only thing i would face was tanks and Mara. It's much easier to play 2h wp now it's more about dmg overtime and less burst. But gameplay loop less fun IMO. But that's just me you dont really need to manage your resource on the 2h wp because you wont use hammer of sigmar but on the dok the resources is alot harder but more rewarding. That's just a personal opinion.

yoluigi wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:05 pm Wp healer is right now super op because of the 375 absorb aura. The thing is if my 2h wp was on destro side would be easier to roam because am not fighting against better kiting classes. The reason WL soo strong is that they counter the the destro classes with kiting. WP 2h would be good if only thing i would face was tanks and Mara. It's much easier to play 2h wp now it's more about dmg overtime and less burst. But gameplay loop less fun IMO. But that's just me you dont really need to manage your resource on the 2h wp because you wont use hammer of sigmar but on the dok the resources is alot harder but more rewarding. That's just a personal opinion.

I dont have a WP but just from looking at it... it looks way more comfy to play as dmg dealer (compared to dmg DoK). Over a longer fight on the same target it also looks like the dmg could be stronger? Imo, they hit harder than before (wp). with ws/ini patch and healer rework.could be my imagination.

Xumae wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 5:57 pm

Kyouaku wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 5:06 pm Melee DoK has had it's OP stuff removed and other classes still have theirs, it's horrible and outside of ranked, where its only viable because Mura is so much better at DPS and it can supp it, it's just a DPS that's far worse then the rest.

I hope they revert all changes and also give it the same amount of DPS gear as other healers, it is screwed 2x with both changes and on gear with shield set royally messing it up

With not much unique to it anymore, it's lame. Playing a WL or a Mura is just way better for SCs or Rvr. If this is how the devs balance things, I think the DPS balance patch may straight up kill the game, Im really worried.

I completely disagree, now that dps dok has 1600 armor debuff, they are just a better version of Mara.

How can that be true? Mura has Pull, and a charge, much better AOE detaunt, better DPS tactics, super powerful arm mutations, great AOE, much better gear options because DoK is screwed by Shield spec. DoK has to spend a tactic to get a heal debuff, mura has a tactic for 50% more crit damage, when DoK only sometimes has a 25% bonus

I cant understand how a person can come to the conclusion you did, how did you?

Lisutaris wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:38 pm

yoluigi wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:05 pm Wp healer is right now super op because of the 375 absorb aura. The thing is if my 2h wp was on destro side would be easier to roam because am not fighting against better kiting classes. The reason WL soo strong is that they counter the the destro classes with kiting. WP 2h would be good if only thing i would face was tanks and Mara. It's much easier to play 2h wp now it's more about dmg overtime and less burst. But gameplay loop less fun IMO. But that's just me you dont really need to manage your resource on the 2h wp because you wont use hammer of sigmar but on the dok the resources is alot harder but more rewarding. That's just a personal opinion.

I dont have a WP but just from looking at it... it looks way more comfy to play as dmg dealer (compared to dmg DoK). Over a longer fight on the same target it also looks like the dmg could be stronger? Imo, they hit harder than before (wp). with ws/ini patch and healer rework.could be my imagination.

Well shield dok is really bad lol But dual weild i got 650 str i crit execute 1600+ dmg sometimes on my wp dont remember doing anything over 1200. Used to do more burst because of the 20 seconds armor pen with crit on execute. Dok got more dmg going with all these dots. Dok dps harder to play but if you play it right you can beat the 2h WP. The dmg rotation to finish somebody at bellow 50% is pretty good. The anti heal tactic alwas give more dmg to sang plus the drowning in blood dot. I'l release the dok footage showcase soon but yeah i wish they would make dok dw be able to use transfer essence like the you could go dw tap healer similar to the shield but heal others. With the drowning in blood to boost it's dmg for more heal from the 75% component.

yeah but you are out of juice quick, if you use devour or rend soul while having dib active. and rend soul with dib or consume essence is no dmg or burst anymore at all .

I get what you are saying but I dont think it is so strong , especially compared to pre patch / changes old dib and devour.

What I get from reading here, dw dok a bit better than 2h wp in your opinion. But shield and book wp way better than dok counterpart. opinions may differ but that sounds like balanced to me.
(I actually think all dok specs need buffs and wp not, well maybe some finetuning on dmg spec. But I dont want to open this box here and the discussion following.)