Return of Reckoning

normanis wrote:use dok ranged attack fist of khaine

65 fts all range attacks 100 fts ....

Jesus why would you even DoK and WP are the best healers in the game why would you squander that by playing lolzmdps? One that doesn't even do that special dmg late game like a real mdps


Look you want to play melee play a real melee class cause otherwise your honestly just a detriment to your faction and grp.


And covering you ears n closing your eyes to ignore this fact won't change it

WP dont need to be reworked ! Atm all order healer are WP or RP and WP are already so wtf impossible to kill 1 WP full heal spec and geared and when they got a guard it's more wtf . And if you want dps with your WP be patient and wait the next lvl cap .

If you understood, the general them of the rework WP/DoK discussion has focused on the idea that the healers are a gross violation of their original concept and that they should have a viable means of melee healing as intended.

as far as fixing wp/dok to be melee healers, no one seems to have mentioned the elephant in the room. any reasonably competent tank will kill/neutralise a melee healer with interrupts in the current state of game. the old aoe heal was nice, but divine assault/rend soul is very easy to halt so if you are looking at a rework, i would suggest this will be an issue with making them viable as their most effective st heal is so unlikely to land

So I run with my wp as dps and I think it's not so bad. Yeah, it's not proper group healer, but can roll quite good dmg.

Coryphaus wrote:Jesus why would you even DoK and WP are the best healers in the game why would you squander that by playing lolzmdps? One that doesn't even do that special dmg late game like a real mdps


Look you want to play melee play a real melee class cause otherwise your honestly just a detriment to your faction and grp.


And covering you ears n closing your eyes to ignore this fact won't change it

Considering that on my 70 sh dps Dok (with chalice in offhand) I could see Djjolle's (100 full def IB) hp going down solo just fine (procs ignoring toughness are a bitch), and considering that dps zealots topped dmg in scs quite regularly, if your dps healer doesn't do a good dmg it just means you don't know how to play it, or are trying to use it for something different than what it is specced for (such a using solo roaming specced DoK in sc premade).

As I said before. They can melee heal but should not be able to dps and heal as well as they do now. I think fixing the grace tree is the answer. Leaving the dps and book trees open for the current specs

wots wrote:as far as fixing wp/dok to be melee healers, no one seems to have mentioned the elephant in the room. any reasonably competent tank will kill/neutralise a melee healer with interrupts in the current state of game. the old aoe heal was nice, but divine assault/rend soul is very easy to halt so if you are looking at a rework, i would suggest this will be an issue with making them viable as their most effective st heal is so unlikely to land

lol , tank can kill another class in this game ? need a video or it doesnt exist

lol , tank can kill another class in this game ? need a video or it doesnt exist

i dont know why im replying but bored, google may help there used to be a great video of disintegrator the self proclaimed "best dps dok eva" getting totally owned by a knight 1v1 repetitively.

i thought all this had been gone over previously on wha/biomythic and tbh im suprised at some of the people professing to see the current state of dps/melee healers as presenting any problem. as has been mentioned they are vulnerable to cc, and i as i said there one st heal is on a fairly high cd and can be perma interupted by a tank.

tklees ive seen you in sc and you seem a smart wh, my advice is leave the dps dok alone on wh, at level 20, and w/o parry RA you lack the tools to do much about them, and from their perspective as a light armour dps you are one great big heal pot. i was always frustrated by squishy dps that would go near a dok on live, let range/tanks deal with them, they are a non issue only really good for killing ill-informed players.

my best effort killing dps doks was 2 doks vs my knight. i shouldn't have won vs 2 but like 90% of dps healers in war they lacked the ability to ever change their defensive target away from themselves.