Return of Reckoning

reyaloran wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:44 pm

dalen wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:23 pm

ravezaar wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:03 pm - Changed how minimum contribution to get a bag roll is calculated, and grant scaled renown and crest reward regardless if you meet the minimum requirement or not.

can u give more specific info on this ?

It used to be an absolute amount of contribution required. Now the minimum is a certain percentage of the average or median (whichever is lower) contribution for all players in your realm.

In forts where your realm was heavily outnumbered it was difficult to meet the absolute contribution requirement, even if you did all you could.

So what happens if the contribution is 0 for everyone on one side? For example if we on NA destro try to go to fort and get the usual 100 v 6-20 will there be anything given out or will it be as current where its pointless for us to show up.

b00n wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:41 pm

reyaloran wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:44 pm

dalen wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:23 pm

It used to be an absolute amount of contribution required. Now the minimum is a certain percentage of the average or median (whichever is lower) contribution for all players in your realm.

In forts where your realm was heavily outnumbered it was difficult to meet the absolute contribution requirement, even if you did all you could.

So what happens if the contribution is 0 for everyone on one side? For example if we on NA destro try to go to fort and get the usual 100 v 6-20 will there be anything given out or will it be as current where its pointless for us to show up.

if i observed it correctly even losing is giving contribution (The Addon from idrinth says a value of 5 for a death)

Detangler wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:27 pm Cant buy any pies. ingredients that were in my bag before the patch wont go into the crafting inventory. new ingredients that are the same as the ones from before the patch get piled into the old ones that were in the standard inventory and wont go into the crafting bag.

dalen wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:32 pm

b00n wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:41 pm

reyaloran wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:44 pm

So what happens if the contribution is 0 for everyone on one side? For example if we on NA destro try to go to fort and get the usual 100 v 6-20 will there be anything given out or will it be as current where its pointless for us to show up.

if i observed it correctly even losing is giving contribution (The Addon from idrinth says a value of 5 for a death)

Well, that is not how contribution works.

But it is unlikely that you end up with zero contribution unless you just walk into the zone and do literally nothing.

Detangler wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:07 pm

dalen wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:32 pm

b00n wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:41 pm
if i observed it correctly even losing is giving contribution (The Addon from idrinth says a value of 5 for a death)

Well, that is not how contribution works.

But it is unlikely that you end up with zero contribution unless you just walk into the zone and do literally nothing.

Have you participated in a NA destro defense fort recently? All BOs capped within seconds, outnumbered at every BO, and then you wait to get steamrolled in lord room. The enterprising few can skate outside at stage 3 and potentially kill a few stragglers, but thats about it. How would that add up if you had zero chance to get to a BO to cap something before getting stomped by a max cap attackers vs 20 defenders?

Detangler wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:07 pm Have you participated in a NA destro defense fort recently? All BOs capped within seconds, outnumbered at every BO, and then you wait to get steamrolled in lord room. The enterprising few can skate outside at stage 3 and potentially kill a few stragglers, but thats about it. How would that add up if you had zero chance to get to a BO to cap something before getting stomped by a max cap attackers vs 20 defenders?

Aethilmar wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:38 pm

Detangler wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:07 pm

dalen wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:32 pm

Well, that is not how contribution works.

But it is unlikely that you end up with zero contribution unless you just walk into the zone and do literally nothing.

Have you participated in a NA destro defense fort recently? All BOs capped within seconds, outnumbered at every BO, and then you wait to get steamrolled in lord room. The enterprising few can skate outside at stage 3 and potentially kill a few stragglers, but thats about it. How would that add up if you had zero chance to get to a BO to cap something before getting stomped by a max cap attackers vs 20 defenders?

First, NA Order is never at "max cap" for forts because NA doesn't have that population in general. It is usually somewhere between 80 and 110.

Second, "NA Order" usually has a WB worth of "NA Destro" who xrealm over b/c of the lack of rewards. If the rewards are there, that number may stick to their original side.

Try out the new calculations before declaring it pointless. The fact they made any change at all suggests they understand there is an issue and are trying to address it. Seems likely they will be open to making additional tweaks if needed.

Garamore wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:42 pm Cant speak to Hilfred Rumbleberry for the protectors fee quest