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Re: can someone explain?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:45 am
by normanis
shaman can cleanse wl armor debuff , so am can cleanse mara.
wp can cant cleanse mara or dok cant cleanse wl. its would be op if cloth wearers coudnt cleanse armor debuff for example. this is how i see situation. about cleanses. medium wearer become more tanky if they can cleanse armor debuffs
Re: can someone explain?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:52 am
by Sulorie
rrrutsss wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 8:30 am
What about removing damage dots from shaman and am arsenal?
Because they are, you know, healer classes?
Re: can someone explain?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:07 am
by BluIzLucky
Gravord wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:24 am
Easiest solution would be to remove cleanse restrictions and allow every healer to cleanse any type of effect, perhaps with certain additional bonuses, general ones or if they cleanse specific type of effect. Argument could be easily made it would simplify game too much, but it also would made different cleanses closer in terms of quality. Main complaint of the topic is about AM vs Sham, but dont forget poor WP who doesnt cleanse WE/SH/Mara/Sham, 4 out of 5 destro heal inc heal debuffs, while cleaning only Chop.
Yeah, came to the same thoughts, as especially for ranked it skews certain match-ups pretty hard.
Though it does provide some checks and balances (e.g. if one class is too strong you bring more of their cleanse counter and it makes sure there's always a decent benefit to bringing 2 different healers) that probably outweighs the downsides in small scale combat and extra layer of balance complexity.
Re: can someone explain?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:19 am
by rrrutsss
Sulorie wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:52 am
rrrutsss wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 8:30 am
What about removing damage dots from shaman and am arsenal?
Because they are, you know, healer classes?
Exactly
Thats why they dont need so many damage dots ?
Re: can someone explain?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:29 am
by saupreusse
we should take a moment to pray for our poor WP brothers that can't cleanse destros most common heal debuffs :'(
Re: can someone explain?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:52 pm
by Gargis
Every healer on each faction has 2 debuffs that they can cleanse. That leaves one they can't. It is balanced.
I assure you , RP would love to be able to cleanse the HD by the BG. They can't, so they need help from a WP or AM.
To rectify your problem, grp with a Zealot or a DOK. To make it really easy, grp with a DOK and ask them to slot Khaines Withdrawal. A pretty nice M2 with situational uses that has no corollary on Order.
Re: can someone explain?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:13 pm
by Lion1986
if you remove class restrictions then remove all casters from game: magus and sorcerer; BW and engi got ailments that sometimes you use to "cover" another class dispel to help you, especially in aoe, to do damage. Spam no cd a cleanse kill those classes more than they actually are.
Re: can someone explain?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:43 pm
by Sulorie
rrrutsss wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:19 am
Sulorie wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 9:52 am
rrrutsss wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 8:30 am
What about removing damage dots from shaman and am arsenal?
Because they are, you know, healer classes?
Exactly
Thats why they dont need so many damage dots ?
But they have two roles, depending on how you spec them. Pretty much like tanks and dps can spec more defensive.
When you see someone throwing dots on you, then you fight a dps class, not a healer.
Re: can someone explain?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:08 pm
by Omegus
The question is why are you trying to compare AM vs Shaman in an isolated setting when classes are designed to be combined together? Unless this is of course about solo roaming DPS AMs vs solo roaming DPS Shamans, in which case lol.
Archmages: how does it feel when a Zealot slots the tactic that puts their cleanse on no CD and just removes everything you apply?
Re: can someone explain?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:16 pm
by Kloaner
Lion1986 wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:13 pm
then remove all casters from game:
would be the best change they could ever do!!! Just imagine how awesome it would be without Legolas and co.