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Re: Is it not too big?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:53 pm
by reynor007
Fenris78 wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:24 pm
Doesnt seem remotely balanced with AM's counterpart, wich only boost the channeled duration of one skill.
Looks like to be 240 toughness reduction (with maxed tree), wich is in fact a buff to everyone else by 240 offensive stat. Merry Christmas.
Max debuff value on every other DoT in the game is about 120, and is generally not aimed at a so much universal damage reducing stat as Toughness (most similar debuffs affecting one magic resistance, initiative or offensive stats).
So either nerf/remove this added debuff (on a 20s duration DoT its out of proportion, I agree) to match the mirrored tactic, or give similar effect to AM's Radiant Lance via mirrored tactic.
Shaman already got intelligence stealing for free, the toughness debuff is absolutely insane, and on a spammable spell wich will benefit to every ally around, it's nonsense to be this powerful, even on a 11pts tactic.
in my opinion, the balance sham and am is now perfect, apart from this tactic, which often gives more minuses than pluses
a free pillbox of the shaman's intellect will receive. ama had 4 dot vs 2 dots sham
I can list all the changes for a very long time, but now they +- are equal
Re: Is it not too big?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:06 pm
by Battlefield
Sulorie wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:52 pm
It's just about 100 additional toughness debuffed compared to the core aoe toughness debuff. The damage difference is ignoreable. Did you identified this to be the reason you lost in some fight or what is the point of this thread?
Other classes have different goodies and not all can be measured with raw stat attributes.
Shaman spotedd
Re: Is it not too big?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:33 pm
by Bavradai
The shaman has to take a -20% healing debuff to take this tactic.
It is absolutely fine.
Re: Is it not too big?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:42 pm
by Fenris78
Bavradai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:33 pm
The shaman has to take a -20% healing debuff to take this tactic.
It is absolutely fine.
Maluses are the same for mirror tactic on AM. Only Sham version got free bonus, and one that will only buff everybody hitting target, while providing more value than any other debuff (yes 100 more than average stat debuff wich will overlap).
Re: Is it not too big?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:00 pm
by Battlefield
Bavradai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:33 pm
The shaman has to take a -20% healing debuff to take this tactic.
It is absolutely fine.
But when you see 216-240 thoughness debuff on yourself too often, It is not absolutely fine !
Re: Is it not too big?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:19 pm
by Vri
I think you just want to throw some meat to the dogs and watch them fight lol
Re: Is it not too big?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:19 pm
by Bavradai
Battlefield wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:00 pm
Bavradai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:33 pm
The shaman has to take a -20% healing debuff to take this tactic.
It is absolutely fine.
But when you see 216-240 thoughness debuff on yourself too often, It is not absolutely fine !
Just cleanse it, bro.
Re: Is it not too big?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:26 pm
by zulnam
New 6-man/24-man meta, DPS Shaman.
Link to build.
Re: Is it not too big?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:32 pm
by Sulorie
Battlefield wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:06 pm
Sulorie wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:52 pm
It's just about 100 additional toughness debuffed compared to the core aoe toughness debuff. The damage difference is ignoreable. Did you identified this to be the reason you lost in some fight or what is the point of this thread?
Other classes have different goodies and not all can be measured with raw stat attributes.
Shaman spotedd
With what class you die to them?
Re: Is it not too big?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:00 pm
by Battlefield
Bavradai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:19 pm
Battlefield wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:00 pm
Bavradai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:33 pm
The shaman has to take a -20% healing debuff to take this tactic.
It is absolutely fine.
But when you see 216-240 thoughness debuff on yourself too often, It is not absolutely fine !
Just cleanse it, bro.
It does not change that is too big numbers and when besides you have many dots, so how should i cleanse it, if it's repeatable also ?
Dps classes have about 200 thoughness at all, it means that after they have 0 !