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Re: [Ranked] season 3
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:22 pm
by TARDIONm
lol xd
Re: [Ranked] season 3
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:46 pm
by DaWolf
Make pvp games ranked with all the same stuff... The better "skilled" will win. That's all. No sov, no lol stuff I mix PvE/PvP... etc....
All are on the same boat... May the best man win.
Re: [Ranked] season 3
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:58 pm
by Alubert
DaWolf wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:46 pm
Make pvp games ranked with all the same stuff... The better "skilled" will win. That's all. No sov, no lol stuff I mix PvE/PvP... etc....
All are on the same boat... May the best man win.
This is MMO not MOBA when u start every match at the same level/gear.
Farming gear is a core part of the game.
Re: [Ranked] season 3
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:12 pm
by DaWolf
I perfectly know, but what do you want to rank, the guy who can spent h24 7/7 on the game or the better skilled guy ?
Re: [Ranked] season 3
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:56 pm
by Atropik
DaWolf wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:12 pm
I perfectly know, but what do you want to rank, the guy who can spent h24 7/7 on the game or the better skilled guy ?
Any guy who is "skilled" and plays 24/7/7 can outfarm all the game has in 1 week, including Sov/fort weapon/genesis jewelry/tok unlocks etc., by the rare exception of triumphant and senti token.
Re: [Ranked] season 3
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:24 pm
by DaWolf
ok np. What is the next proposal ?
Re: [Ranked] season 3
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:08 pm
by Atropik
want some immediate pops - make new gear, i mean gaer that MEANS not like + 1.5 stat.
want some long lasting experience - make it more pug friendly, that story with separate dc channels for soloranked was bad idea, very bad idea/
Re: [Ranked] season 3
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:22 am
by Arbich
Fenris78 wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:50 pm
Alubert wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:08 pm
In general ranked sc need to be much closer to regular sc because without mass population of players no one will play them.
Agreed.
That's the main issue, and the easier fix will be to get rid of MMR barrier for ring ; one insigna after each win, put the ring to 100 insigna and done.
Now you may have the needed critical mass to keep the thing alive and active.
Also, please hide the MMR :
1.it only serves the matchmaking process,
2.players generally will not care,they only want to see their rank in leaderboard (for final rewards and/or fame, to see their probable opponents, etc.)
This way you will have a less toxic and stressful experience for everyone, without the constant fear of losing MMR after one defeat (wich leads people to simply quit because they dont see their MMR going up - aggravated behavior by the current 1k barrier), but with - hopefully - enough participation in a regular basis to make the thing work on the long run.
Then, with anough people playing, the matchmaking system, helped with the (now hidden) MMR, will match players in more and more "balanced" matches ; strong 6v6 classes will play together, while other can encounter similar setups, limiting the "unbalanced feeling", and globally enhancing the general experience.
It's sad to say, but with such a small community, and class balance being what it is (much more fitted - ST - archetypes for smallscale), you need everyone to participate, not the most hardcore, experienced, or OP classes to get in.
Yes, it will include casual players.
Yes, it will include unfitted classes and less efficient builds.
Yes, matches will be less "competitive".
But it's sadly needed for ranked to be a thing. Otherwise people will still continue to dodge queue and wintrade with their 1-2 same groups on each realm...
Hiding the mmr might be a good idea to help some ppl to overcome their insecureness. Maybe even wins/losses or also the ladder till the end of the season (would be sad due to loss of competition, but whatever). But don´t remove the mmr mechanic (this includes 1000mmr barrier). Last season it was very noticable that the quality of the games greatly improved after you were above the 1000mmr barrier. A removal of mmr mechanic might increase the number of games for a short time (not even sure about this), but it will go down quite fast after this combined with a sharp increase in toxicity and complaints.
I think the main issue is, that this a pvp game and your "enemies" are also humans and no matter the amout of ppl participation ranked 50% will always perform below average. Gear matters, renown matters, some classes are easier, some are harder, but in the end some have to be the worst players. And if these drop out of the competition, others from the pool of ppl still participating have to be the worst. Nobody wants to be these guys (thats why putting the ranked insignias behind a 1000mmr barrier was a bad thing, as it removes a sign of progress for roughly 50% of the participants) and a lot of ppl lack the self-awareness to be part of this group. Just look at the threads here that complains about the lack of balance in "normal" scenarios. They make little sense, when the (unpopular opinion
) potentially most balanced game mode (while grouped ranked can be more pleasing, imo its hard to make the argument the can be more balanced) is not frequented.