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Re: ID & GTDC - Time for an experiment \o/
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:29 am
by vindicuss
Yes, but you need to add Rampage and the 100APpot skill that choppa has.
Slayer get's GTDC and 100APpot skill.
Choppa gets ID and Rampage.
Everyone happy and unhappy, cheers!.
Re: ID & GTDC - Time for an experiment \o/
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:44 am
by Mergrim
+ Fix Lotsa choppin dmg compare to flurry dmg, already 2 month+ in bugtracker and still 9-12% less dmg on lotsa choppin.
Re: ID & GTDC - Time for an experiment \o/
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:32 pm
by emiliorv
mryay wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:58 pm
GTDC and ID have been discussed countless times,
Rampage have been discussed like x1.000.000 times over ID and i dont see in your proposal to exchange it for "keep on choppin" => Why isnt rampage in this suggestion??
GTDC undefendable component was nerfed long time ago but if you mirror GTDC to slayer they will access to Rampage+GTDC making it much betther than the actual choppa version
Re: ID & GTDC - Time for an experiment \o/
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:58 pm
by ravezaar
I dont get How Des can cry so much when they have SH's
Re: ID & GTDC - Time for an experiment \o/
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:14 pm
by Mergrim
ravezaar wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:58 pm
I dont get How Des can cry so much when they have SH's
I don't get this how old warhammer player can cry about SH's in choppa/slayer thread.
Re: Rampage & GTDC - Time for an experiment \o/
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:22 pm
by Alubert
Mergrim wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:21 pm
ravezaar wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:00 pm
Mergrim wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:23 pm
Remove this tactic then...not using it at all. You can't stack high crit on choppa.
Don't forget that Slayer has better critical tactics than Choppa.
Slayer has 1 and its speccable, Choppas is Core so I disagree
This is your opionion...you seen 'bring it on' 3k hit? me nah i hit on slayer retribution 3k with this tactic on low hp:D
7point in first tree before heal debuff, not big deal that you need spent 1 extra point.
Still both tactic no use with ppl running around -20-30% chance to be crit when choppa/slayer have 20-25% crit chance, it's just tactic slot lost. Good vs pug crap vs good enemy team.
1. I don't agree either. 25% crit dmg tactic is my basic tactic and without it I can't imagine my build. Some like high WS others crit. Just because you don't use this tactic doesn't mean it's weak. It is not true that everyone has -20%, -30% CTBC. I have around 40% crit chance on choppa. Enemy addon combat log shows an average of 46-47% crits. So the average player has around 6-7% of CTBC. (I dont have problems to kill anyone with my 589 WS).
2. The day the choppa would get ID and lose GTDC would be the best day for my chopp (I wouldn't even care about the rampage slayer - let him have one).
There is only one problem. I really don't like exact class mirros.
Maybe the "new choppa ID" should be in the middle mastery tree + some small change compared to the slayer ID?
Re: Rampage & GTDC - Time for an experiment \o/
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:29 pm
by Mergrim
Alubert wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:22 pm
Mergrim wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:21 pm
ravezaar wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:00 pm
Slayer has 1 and its speccable, Choppas is Core so I disagree
This is your opionion...you seen 'bring it on' 3k hit? me nah i hit on slayer retribution 3k with this tactic on low hp:D
7point in first tree before heal debuff, not big deal that you need spent 1 extra point.
Still both tactic no use with ppl running around -20-30% chance to be crit when choppa/slayer have 20-25% crit chance, it's just tactic slot lost. Good vs pug crap vs good enemy team.
1. I don't agree either. 25% crit dmg tactic is my basic tactic and without it I can't imagine my build. Some like high WS others crit. Just because you don't use this tactic doesn't mean it's weak. It is not true that everyone has -20%, -30% CTBC. I have around 40% crit chance on choppa. Enemy addon combat log shows an average of 46-47% crits. So the average player has around 6-7% of CTBC. (I dont have problems to kill anyone with my 589 WS).
2. The day the choppa would get ID and lose GTDC would be the best day for my chopp (I wouldn't even care about the rampage slayer - let him have one).
There is only one problem. I really don't like exact class mirros.
Maybe the "new choppa ID" should be in the middle mastery tree + some small change compared to the slayer ID?
Go play ranked with this 40% crit chance and show me result. Like i write before, good vs pug, weak vs good player.
Re: ID & GTDC - Time for an experiment \o/
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:31 pm
by ravezaar
Mergrim wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:14 pm
ravezaar wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:58 pm
I dont get How Des can cry so much when they have SH's
I don't get this how old warhammer player can cry about SH's in choppa/slayer thread.
Hurt u feelings did I
Re: ID & GTDC - Time for an experiment \o/
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:36 pm
by Mergrim
ravezaar wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:31 pm
Mergrim wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:14 pm
ravezaar wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:58 pm
I dont get How Des can cry so much when they have SH's
I don't get this how old warhammer player can cry about SH's in choppa/slayer thread.
Hurt u feelings did I
Man you only play 1 side, so your vision about balance is one direction.
This thread should be closed instantly after open.
Both class are fine(2h spec is dead) just choppa need lotsa choppin dmg fix.
Re: ID & GTDC - Time for an experiment \o/
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:38 pm
by lyncher12
not only does he only play order but he solos so his opinion is literally worthless.