Schweedy wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:52 am
Rowanmantle wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:25 pm
Shanell wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:53 pm
I just want to ask - what were the numbers of healing done during these city sieges? I bet 1 toof that they were much higher than in mirros with no maguses/engis because these damage numbers are fluff damage.
Yes... the 70 DB's and 8mil damage Shiro pulled was all fluff.
It is
laughable to even suggest that the performance of a few elite Engis (and 1 Magus) vs PUG instances and scenarios should
automatically warrant inclusion into a serious balancing dialog.
Ridiculous assumptions being made here over a class based on nit-picked instances of single-digit, high-performing Engis/Magus, with alliances that structure their warband play around these optimally geared players to succeed vs PuG warbands and other mediocre alliance warbands. Can anyone here see the forest for the trees at all?
The class problem is an issue that must be looked at as holistically as possible, rather than through the myopic lenses people in these forums like to rely on with a heavy dose of confirmation bias. PUG Forts/Instances can, and often do, revert to a veritable hellscape against sides that capitalize on the inherent advantages afforded to their classes in the most optimal way possible. If you use PUG instances to make any class-based critiqued, you deserve to be laughed at.
This is what a common PUG/mediocre wb hellscape looks like in this game. If you haven't been in the receiving end, you haven't lived.
DBs [IC1 3-27-2021] _________ DMG______________________ Healing ___________________Protection
Also Magus=/=Engi. What they each bring to the table is dependent on how they are utilized, and sorry to break the news to y'all, but Engi brings much more to the table than Rift in terms of group viability.
Much more than what Magus could even hope for in RvR.
EDIT: I just realized Rowanmantle was a part of that IC instance. You tell me man... you tell me. How's that meta looking? Feels good right?
Well I do not play engie myself, and to my knowledge this was not a pug/mediocre warband it was 2 12 mans we faced. Sadly we had the upper hand with the composition.
Funny enough I do agree with you, engies are more viable because of what they bring to the table in terms of PD, 15% is a huge debuff. So before people brought engies not only for the damage they could provide, or the cc/nuisance they can be to an enemy team. But they can also debuff armor with the Warlord set and thanks to the fix the devs did a while ago PD can now be applied by napalm.
Maguses can also perform well i believe Restlin/Jolt and a few others come to mind here. Not only in aoe purposes, I was in a city where Restlin played full ST, assisting the ST party and that was pure hell, coupled with the burst from Advarka.
Does that mean then that classes should be nerfed based on the performance of some individuals? No.
Class balance should always first and foremost be about making it balanced. However, good well rounded players can take almost any class and make it work.
Referring to the city you linked screenshots of, if you do take a gander at the DB of the ST group you'd see that it was them who applied the most pressure in that city. We all know what its like to be a healer, under pressure having to worry about ST parties/xhealing and then perhaps having to try and ress/counter morale drops.
City is not always A B C = 1 2 3. It is a combination of MA in the aoe bomb working cohesively with their ST group, and banking on the pressure that the ST group provides. For example if the ST group can down enough healers and the aoe group down a few dps, then the enemy is in a full ress cycle allowing for the domino affect to come into play. This is then the breaking point for a wb. Can one recover? Are you able to stabilize groups or do you retreat and fight again fresh.
Furthermore asking me how that meta is looking, well many who know me and have played with me and against me know, that i have lost my fair share of cities. Some even so bad that people leave before stage 3. Its a matter of mindset then and the willing to take something from it and improve/better oneself.