Return of Reckoning

popperz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:50 pm

Omegus wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:44 pm This is probably the only flat crit modifier that is multiplicative rather than additive though.

I am afraid to test Crush the Weak. I will just leave it untested. I want to believe I make an impact on enemy's dps.

It is additive for heal and dps. The IB version and the SM version work the same way. This has been tested.

Omegus wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:44 pm

popperz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:41 pm

wachlarz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:40 pm If asw have easy 60% crit chance. Crit resist its ok

It's not reduction of enemy's crit rate. It's reduction of your chance to be critically hit. So if you have 0% - u get em 0

This is probably the only flat crit modifier that is multiplicative rather than additive though.

edit: this also explains why from a healing point of view PVE Black Guards using this tactic tend to be squisher than I would otherwise expect them to be.

It is, and it was because one of the devs here on RoR thought an ability giving -45% chance to be crit was ridiculously OP (it's not). Think it was Aza before he left. It should probably be turned back to an additive effect again. Has anyone tested how this interacts with crit chances below 0? Does it then increase your chance to be crit? Or does it at least have the sanity check of not affecting anything below 0?

popperz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:27 pm Myth 1: Crimson death (CD) does not add the crit to BG, but only to the allies (since the tooltip claims "to others")
Myth 2: BG skill Force of Fury is such an amazing skill cause it gives insane anticrit (since why not and the tooltip is sexy)

Result in image:
1) Indeed CD increases crit chance and BG is affected
2) The anticrit is absolute rubbish. And less crit you have the less the ability is worth.

https://ibb.co/Rc4BXJP

Regarding #2, please can you do a .getstats with the buff at maximum and show what the reduced chance to be crit is? This could just be a display bug with the character sheet.

Omegus wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 3:00 pm

popperz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:27 pm Myth 1: Crimson death (CD) does not add the crit to BG, but only to the allies (since the tooltip claims "to others")
Myth 2: BG skill Force of Fury is such an amazing skill cause it gives insane anticrit (since why not and the tooltip is sexy)

Result in image:
1) Indeed CD increases crit chance and BG is affected
2) The anticrit is absolute rubbish. And less crit you have the less the ability is worth.

https://ibb.co/Rc4BXJP

Regarding #2, please can you do a .getstats with the buff at maximum and show what the reduced chance to be crit is? This could just be a display bug with the character sheet.

It's not a display bug, it's an intended change on RoR from a few years back. Stupid as ****, but intended.

Vayra wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 3:02 pm

Omegus wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 3:00 pm

popperz wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:27 pm Myth 1: Crimson death (CD) does not add the crit to BG, but only to the allies (since the tooltip claims "to others")
Myth 2: BG skill Force of Fury is such an amazing skill cause it gives insane anticrit (since why not and the tooltip is sexy)

Result in image:
1) Indeed CD increases crit chance and BG is affected
2) The anticrit is absolute rubbish. And less crit you have the less the ability is worth.

https://ibb.co/Rc4BXJP

Regarding #2, please can you do a .getstats with the buff at maximum and show what the reduced chance to be crit is? This could just be a display bug with the character sheet.

It's not a display bug, it's an intended change on RoR from a few years back. Stupid as ****, but intended.

After much digging I found where the change happened: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=21241. This is the kind of **** that needs to be on the wiki. This even happened before the wiki was updated. Random changes that go against how everything usually works must be documented properly with the tooltips clearly stating it. Much like the armour buff stacking with other buffs (why??).

Omegus wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 3:12 pm

Vayra wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 3:02 pm

Omegus wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 3:00 pm

Regarding #2, please can you do a .getstats with the buff at maximum and show what the reduced chance to be crit is? This could just be a display bug with the character sheet.

It's not a display bug, it's an intended change on RoR from a few years back. Stupid as ****, but intended.

After much digging I found where the change happened: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=21241. This is the kind of **** that needs to be on the wiki. This even happened before the wiki was updated. Random changes that go against how everything usually works must be documented properly with the tooltips clearly stating it. Much like the armour buff stacking with other buffs (why??).

If you feel motivated, submit it to bugtracker with proposal to edit a tooltip. It is outdated or not clear enough and that is it.
It was very fun to think that I am an uber utility tank, dynamically protecting a focused target f.e. in ranked....-45% critrate is reasonable, also dynamic switching of protector makes it even skill dependent.
Started testing, when my so skillfully "protected" targets died like flies anyway

aSW's crosscut ability has the same "misleading" tooltip as Crimson Death and I imagine that the IB's Kneecapper has the same % based effect as Crush the Weak.

How do you even notify the devs about tooltips errors?

PieTreBlu wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 3:29 pm aSW's crosscut ability has the same "misleading" tooltip as Crimson Death and I imagine that the IB's Kneecapper has the same % based effect as Crush the Weak.

How do you even notify the devs about tooltips errors?

https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues

PieTreBlu wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 3:29 pm aSW's crosscut ability has the same "misleading" tooltip as Crimson Death and I imagine that the IB's Kneecapper has the same % based effect as Crush the Weak.

How do you even notify the devs about tooltips errors?

Firsly, you need a proof. Like testing with data. If you have this - there is bugtracker.

But aren't the skills working as intended? Didn't they change CtW/Kneecapper to be % based themselves? Makes no sense to me.