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Re: Best stats for a tank?

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:59 pm
by Marawo
Sulorie wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:21 am
Rowduk wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:03 am
Question, you may not know the answer to this, but if I'm at 0% chance to be crit, and an enemy is at (let's say) 40% crit chance. Is their crit reduced to 0% or 20% or 40% etc?
It will be 40%. The point is, when your chance to be crit is 15%, the enemy will hit you with 55% crit chance, if their own crit chance is 40%.
You can even go into negative chance to be crit to actively reduce enemy chance to crit you.
I heard negative critchance is capped at a certain treshold. Does anyone know if that is true, and if yes what the exact value is?


@OP Corporeal,Elemental resistances are the biggest magical AOE damage threat coming from orderside, spirit is not that prelevant if you play largescale

Re: Best stats for a tank?

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:28 pm
by Panodil
Marawo wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:59 pm
Sulorie wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:21 am
Rowduk wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:03 am
Question, you may not know the answer to this, but if I'm at 0% chance to be crit, and an enemy is at (let's say) 40% crit chance. Is their crit reduced to 0% or 20% or 40% etc?
It will be 40%. The point is, when your chance to be crit is 15%, the enemy will hit you with 55% crit chance, if their own crit chance is 40%.
You can even go into negative chance to be crit to actively reduce enemy chance to crit you.
I heard negative critchance is capped at a certain treshold. Does anyone know if that is true, and if yes what the exact value is?


@OP Corporeal,Elemental resistances are the biggest magical AOE damage threat coming from orderside, spirit is not that prelevant if you play largescale
Negative critchance capped? When we tested, chosen had -25% or something to be crit and i had 20% to crit. Not a single crit when we tested.
So i dont think its capped, but a bw have like 65-70% to crit so they will always crit you sometimes :D

Re: Best stats for a tank?

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:38 pm
by CountTalabecland
Simply put, in conq you should have at a minimum unbuffed and rr 50+:
900 wounds
750 toughness
4000 armor
250 or higher ini w/ 0%CTBC
400+ resists (imo just let grp mates buff this or aura)
Block 35% plus
dodge,parry, disrupt as close to 30% as possible.

If you can HTL spam and not get bombed by crits while using guard. You will be a good tank.

Re: Best stats for a tank?

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:15 pm
by Collateral
CountTalabecland wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:38 pm Simply put, in conq you should have at a minimum unbuffed and rr 50+:
900 wounds
750 toughness
4000 armor
250 or higher ini w/ 0%CTBC
400+ resists (imo just let grp mates buff this or aura)
Block 35% plus
dodge,parry, disrupt as close to 30% as possible.

If you can HTL spam and not get bombed by crits while using guard. You will be a good tank.
Bo can't have those stats in conq gear at 50 rr. No idea where you're pulling these numbers from. There's no way of getting d/d close to 30%, not even parry with max renown (my d/d is 18/20 and parry is 20, I'm 80 rr maxed out). Especially if you invest into futile strikes, which you should do first. I do recommend trying to get your initiative to 250 actually before anything else. You have wounds and toughness tactics so in the beginning those will help you a lot.

Others have pretty much summed it up. Focus on block and reducing chance to be crit, that's crucial for bo. You have a big self armour buff, so no need for armour talismans (you won't have 4k armour unbuffed, maybe if you run ruin/redeye gear for armour bonus). Hold the line and can't hit me will buff your defenses. Unfortunately you have no way of buffing parry.

Re: Best stats for a tank?

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:59 am
by Ototo
Collateral wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:15 pm
CountTalabecland wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:38 pm Simply put, in conq you should have at a minimum unbuffed and rr 50+:
900 wounds
750 toughness
4000 armor
250 or higher ini w/ 0%CTBC
400+ resists (imo just let grp mates buff this or aura)
Block 35% plus
dodge,parry, disrupt as close to 30% as possible.

If you can HTL spam and not get bombed by crits while using guard. You will be a good tank.
Bo can't have those stats in conq gear at 50 rr. No idea where you're pulling these numbers from. There's no way of getting d/d close to 30%, not even parry with max renown (my d/d is 18/20 and parry is 20, I'm 80 rr maxed out). Especially if you invest into futile strikes, which you should do first. I do recommend trying to get your initiative to 250 actually before anything else. You have wounds and toughness tactics so in the beginning those will help you a lot.

Others have pretty much summed it up. Focus on block and reducing chance to be crit, that's crucial for bo. You have a big self armour buff, so no need for armour talismans (you won't have 4k armour unbuffed, maybe if you run ruin/redeye gear for armour bonus). Hold the line and can't hit me will buff your defenses. Unfortunately you have no way of buffing parry.
I think that he worded it entirely wrong. I presume that those stats are when under Hold the Line, cause numbers kinda make sense then, but he 1st told "unbuffed". It's kind of a messy post, but it "fits" when he names HtL below.

Re: Best stats for a tank?

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:16 pm
by Marawo
Panodil wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:28 pm
Marawo wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:59 pm
Sulorie wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:21 am
It will be 40%. The point is, when your chance to be crit is 15%, the enemy will hit you with 55% crit chance, if their own crit chance is 40%.
You can even go into negative chance to be crit to actively reduce enemy chance to crit you.
I heard negative critchance is capped at a certain treshold. Does anyone know if that is true, and if yes what the exact value is?


@OP Corporeal,Elemental resistances are the biggest magical AOE damage threat coming from orderside, spirit is not that prelevant if you play largescale
Negative critchance capped? When we tested, chosen had -25% or something to be crit and i had 20% to crit. Not a single crit when we tested.
So i dont think its capped, but a bw have like 65-70% to crit so they will always crit you sometimes :D
ty for the clarification, it always sounded weird to me why there should be a cap, very helpful info