Da Green Shaman > Vault Archmage

[Jabba]

You are clueless and should stop posting about that which you know nothing.

@Makhs88, you've forgotten to mention that CD for healdebuff for AM is 10second instead of 20 on shama

Shammy's Heal debuff cd is actually 10 seconds, so it has a better uptime than AM, 10 sec duration 10 sec cd vs 9 sec duration 10 sec cd

that AM's puddle defuffs initiative instead of shammies useless elemental resistance

Given that all of the shammies attacks are elemental, an extra elemental debuff tacked onto an almost must have ability is hardly useless.

and that AM can clear Shammies dots.

About the only thing you've said that's actually right. Good on you.

But you're comparing abilities which nobody uses (neither AMs or Shammies).
In general, AM is stronger class than Shaman, but shammies have charisma

UPD: >>but I'd like to discuss about the Vaul/Da Green path
These trees are dead and require redesign.

Fury of Da Green is so, so far from being useless. There's a reason the better shammies on the server all use it.

[Jabba]

anyway, do you think balancing Energy of Vault cooldown could change anything about the whole enviroment?

i think that both spells are complete garbage and lifetap builds on sham/am are completely useless. What we need is complete redesign of the path(probably completely removing lifetaps from it) but i dont think devs would spend time on such a timeconsuming rewamp.

Fury of Da green is like the best ability shaman has, stop spouting nonsense

[GROTRUK]

What i'm saying is that : WE DON'T F**KIN' care whot got better.
No career is the exact mirror of the other and it would be pointless to make the f**kin' exact mirror of this last one to the nearest stats.
It will lose its charm. You don't roll a shaman to get the symmetrical hair on an archimage's ass and vice versa.
Choose you career well with his own advantages and weaknesses. and GOD PLEASE, accept it.

[Makhs88]

What i'm saying is that : WE DON'T F**KIN' care whot got better.
No career is the exact mirror of the other and it would be pointless to make the f**kin' exact mirror of this last one to the nearest stats.
It will lose its charm. You don't roll a shaman to get the symmetrical hair on an archimage's ass and vice versa.
Choose you career well with his own advantages and weaknesses. and GOD PLEASE, accept it.

Actually, the path is perfectly mirrored. One is better, the other is worse, just it, it doesn't lose any charm balancing them

[Jinxypie]

Ok, but lets start with pounce and pet for Mara first

[Sulorie]

Fury of Da Green is so, so far from being useless. There's a reason the better shammies on the server all use it.

Who are those?

[Elvenis]

Most of you don't care about the path at all. You don't know it, but you just care that nothing would be changed because it is not your class. You think the ability is bad and, because of it, it should not be improved. What a reasoning. You don't know what you are talking about, it is a good skill, not overpowered but decent, and there is no reason for the different cooldown, to not speak about Get'n Smarter. I don't want to reveal my tips for the best use of it, but Da Green Shaman is viable because of those two skills, Vault Archmage is not

[Bozzax]

Since what you talk about dont exist in isolation why compare trees in isolation? (Ie pure vaul or green builds dont exist @rr70)

Shamans wins fashionhammer though

[Vri]

Da Green is nice but The Path of Gork …


Order must have a butt gland that allows them too detect, a Shaman.
Shame my pic didn't work.