Biggest problem on Live is still the biggest problem on RoR

[sullemunk]

what about tier difference?
if there's 60 destro + 40 order in T1, and 40 destro + 60 order in tier 2-4 , the server will see that its "balanced" with 100 on each side, but in the tiers lake it will be unbalanced....

[sullemunk]

and wich of those should dictate the "lockout"??

[Nameless]

Why reinventing the fire. Mythic done your idea, was awfull and reverted it. They did tested that and whole playerbase were cying to the skies. And back then it was at first war year and population were quite big.


So no, that doeant work out. Only way is to make more important locations which will make the zerg to disperse.


Zones volume is also problem cos u can quite fast travel from one end to the other which I would fix by removing mounts at orvr so posittioning and moving at zones become more strategic and punisheble (or lower mounts speed to 20). That is how bos will become more valuable. Reduce movement and u got new meta

[Nidwin]

TESO and how to play a horse racing game in oRvR. Nope, doesn't work.

Has it ever occured to you folks that some of us actually enjoy blob vs blob fights?
Helm's Deep defense, last stand, anytime, any day I log in.

We don't consider 200 vs 350 unbalanced, we call it "that's what we truly want without the lag".

[Dajciekrwi]

Big organized wb destroy this game. PPL blob in one place nad 99% of map is empty. When was no keep to taka there was no blob. Loot of ppl play solo or small scale. Wher U go U see the fight. Now U see one side or other blob and take empty keep.

Yes, that is true- one solution is remove Lord and res this pitful mobs form keep, leaving all defence in hands of players, who will be pushed to hunt any enemies whi can sneak and conquer keep from ninja attack.
This solution gives;
1) new role to small scale groups,
2) new tactic ways to win,
3) parted blob who must secure keep and attack enemy keep in this same time,
4) remove permanent log near any keep.

[Nameless]

Why reinventing the fire. Mythic done your idea, was awfull and reverted it. They did tested that and whole playerbase were cying to the skies. And back then it was at first war year and population were quite big.


So no, that doeant work out. Only way is to make more important locations which will make the zerg to disperse.


Zones volume is also problem cos u can quite fast travel from one end to the other which I would fix by removing mounts at orvr so posittioning and moving at zones become more strategic and punisheble (or lower mounts speed to 20). That is how bos will become more valuable. Reduce movement and u got new meta

An RvR lockout has NOT been done before. What they did on Live was a lockout at the account/log in level.

There was zone limit and queu for entering. That was the case (briefly cos was awfull) for forts zones cant remember about normal rvr zones but I think was the same.
That was nothing to do with xrealm timer that was introduces much later on

[Nidwin]

Imbalance can be great.
A little example of Lutz's warband in keep defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE328QhF-VA

Can't wait till the day we can do this in oRvR

[anarchypark]

War is never fair in real and game.
if you want fair fight there are 18vs18 SC.
do you enjoy them?

anyway, here's how to reduce enemy numbers in orvr.
kill them and kill them again until their morales crushed.
send them to their home to cry.
now you have less enemy.

how do you kill with aao?
avoid main zerg, draw them to trap, use terrain or whatever brilliant tactics.

countless times i saw aao turned into enemy aao.
more times i tried, failed and die.

who cares about dying in game.
oh wait, those 'don't feed them' ppl.

your issue is not sound to me.

[Sulorie]

Majority of players will always take the easy road and choose the faction with the most players. This has to be managed at a system level or there will always be population imbalance.

When both sides have similar numbers but different coordination, the result is the same as same coordination and different numbers.
You will have always have imbalance or you end in a boring stalemate, which lasts several hours.
The players have the choice how they want to play. Stop trying to enforce population balance with lockouts and instead give incentives. In fact the current incentives are good enough, you don't need to take a zone to have fun and you don't need it at all for progress.

[madrocks]

Imbalance can be great.
A little example of Lutz's warband in keep defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE328QhF-VA

Can't wait till the day we can do this in oRvR

Ahaha hahahahaha!
Good times in BV and other occasions.
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I agree that the unbalance at certain times can be very annoying.
Nothing worse to run around with the warband looking for a proper fight and only end up ganking premades/solo players.

It is difficult to put a game mechanic in place that limits the freedom of a player without scaring him/her off.
Tactical affinity is what makes you shine outnumbered.
Order warbands have been pulling quite some tricks out of the hat in the last days..

Many factors result in a realm being outnumbered.
Wiping result in people logging of or occasional cross-realming, the second one is a clear lack of loyalty.
Holding 70 Order in the War Camp and not allowing them to organize is another one. I believe that a fair fight is an illusion, but for the fun of the game, camping the war camp is pointless. On the other hand, why doesn’t the Order Realm take the pve zone and flank?