[magus] Masteries for ST??

[Sulorie]

Sulorie

Armory is full of "Havoc Magus is sick" players and the only three Magus that I possibly see reaching rr100, one day in a not so close near future, are Neutrino, Riftbeardz and Nidwinqq. "Deja vue from Live?"

Let me rephrase it for you.
Havoc Magus is sick once in a blue moon when nearly all of the Magus planets and their moons align under the stars.
The only "thing" that keeps Havoc tree alive for the "Havoc Magus is sick" is a crittical hit of BoC on the right target.
Right targets are -> noobs, sub level 40 without pots/talis/buffs, over extending squishies when the Magus stars align.

Don't get me wrong Sulorie, Havoc tree is a good Magus tree. It's even a great tree, no arguments here.
But Havoc is not the tree that OP wants it to be. Havoc is not the tree that the actual Top 100 Renown Ranks Magus dreamed about.

OP rolls a Sorc and does not look back. And OP will thank me if he/she does, one day may be.

Magus is not optimal for new inexperienced players or the common pug player in general. On the other hand, I wouldn't suggest a sorc for such a player either, as you are just a renown pinata, until you manage positioning and kiting. When you have learned all this, magus still > sorc, because you need no backup healer for full dmg potential. Sorc shines in a group, while magus is stronger on his own. Even in a group, magus is still useful, because you offer high ST dmg and CC, something sorc is lacking.

Some rr stats on armory don't mean anything, when you consider the number of rr80+ trash players here and on live. It only tells, that some players almost exclusively play one certain char, often without learning anything while playing.

[Nidwin]

By "ignore naysayers" P2P means ignore everything I wrote above, meanwhile I'm not a naysayer but someone that told OP to roll a Sorc and not a Magus.

Sorc's ST blow up order twice as fast as a Magus and between 2 up to 5 times more often as Sorc rotations are more reliable than Magus ones.

Prove me wrong, but this post is like so many posts from the past. OP wants to kaboom kaboom ST like a Sorc/BW and better/faster after some time (Bis gear, BiS renown,...) while OP also wants to float on a disc, because Magus looks cool.

I repeast because some only reads what they want to read.

is Havoc a great tree?
Yes, it's a great tree. I like that Havoc tree, a lot.

side note.
I don't like respeccing

I repeat again.
Yes, it's a great tree. I like that Havoc tree, a lot.

OP rolls a Sorc, otherwise OP asks Magus question and not kaboom kaboom ST questions.

[peterthepan3]

Magus blows people up easier than a sorc does. Can they do it as consistently? No - but that is by no means a valid reason to suggest that someone reroll. It is also offset somewhat by the fact that their ranged shits all over sorc range, the fact that their burst is essentially immune to detaunt, the fact that they can achieve higher potential burst with sufficient levels of crit and magic power.

Haven't played my magus in a bit, and the only Havoc Magus I see regularly making the class work as of late is Ngnl.

Simple test: ask Order who they fear more between a sorc and competent magus.

[Nidwin]

And those 99% non Ngnl are struggling, aren't they Peter?

The problem is that it isn't as consistent as a Sorc and as I wrote above, till proven wrong, OP wants all the goodies of both in one. They're trying, some even hard, my word on it, but ...

Yeah, we should clearly ask order to tell us what spec e.g Evilrose is rolling or if they're able to tell us which tree Magus x,y,z is specced in.

Magus seems to be amazing to hold BOs' for destruction. That's probably the reason why you see so many Magus at BO's.

[peterthepan3]

I can't fathom why they are struggling given that the rotation is actually very straightforward. Based on observation I can see that most are either spec'd wrong, using the wrong rotation, don't even run with pet Unholy Empowerment stacks half the time, and/or aren't using the correct gear to maximise crit.

No, I meant ask competent Order players what is potentially more upsetting between a sorc and a competent magus; both are equally viable when it comes to farming bad players. Sorc damage is easy to anticipate because WoP is an obvious sign of incoming burst, giving you 5 seconds to land a detaunt. Magus damage can be predicted if you have ele debuff/WS on buffhead - but then there's the slight issue of trying to find him, get in range and then detaunt/get out of range and LoS.

Regarding OP: he asked what spec is ST for Magus, you told him to reroll sorc. This shows that you either: a) seriously underestimate the potency of well-played Havoc; b) genuinely feel that playing a Havoc Magus as ST DPS is so futile an endeavour that OP would be better off rerolling his entire class.

[Nidwin]

Can't speak for scenarios but the actual meta in lakes is often too fast and too mobile for a full BoC rotation during my playing hours. There's also the order BW bombing versus destro sudden impact wb/blob actual meta that doesn't help a core Havoc burst full stack rotation.

[peterthepan3]

Can't speak for scenarios but the actual meta in lakes is often too fast and too mobile for a full BoC rotation during my playing hours. There's also the order BW bombing versus destro sudden impact wb/blob actual meta that doesn't help a core Havoc burst full stack rotation.

That's because Havoc Magus is not a class you would use in a bombing environment, and is a spec suited for 6-man play/picking off single opponents. If OP intends to partake in wb/blob then he would be much better suited playing one of the other specs (as I'm sure you would agree). ST specs in general have no real value in such environments, so it isn't only a Havoc Magus thing.

[sonataa]

ok its seens i gave a lot of problems to discuss haha, so let me start over, right now im rolling on a small team of 5 sometime 6, we have a dps BO, a zealot a dok, a sorc a marauder and me, my problem usually with magus is that when im ready to burst the target is usually dead already, so the only time im doing something is when im not on group or when we are fighting big groups, but mobility speaking magus is really hard, i usually only shine in bo defense or keep defense, should i stick with havoc or try middle tree?

[Nidwin]

That's way more info than in your original post sonataa so in this case may be not "roll a sorc".

As for advice I'm afraid I won't be of any help as my gameplay is so low I shouldn't be allowed to enter the lakes. But there are enough pros around who will help you out.

Good luck and enjoy the slide, not the ride. (bad Magus joke I know, as bad as my gameplay I presume)

[Foltestik]

ok its seens i gave a lot of problems to discuss haha, so let me start over, right now im rolling on a small team of 5 sometime 6, we have a dps BO, a zealot a dok, a sorc a marauder and me, my problem usually with magus is that when im ready to burst the target is usually dead already, so the only time im doing something is when im not on group or when we are fighting big groups, but mobility speaking magus is really hard, i usually only shine in bo defense or keep defense, should i stick with havoc or try middle tree?

as magus you need to coordinate with sorc and when his Word of pain tick your Bolt need to hit that target = insta dead

or you can just roll SH to snare, heal debuff and killsteal from sorc