drmordread wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:39 pm
JUST MY OPINION, not saying or asking to be switched back;
Best way the WH has utility in a WB is the same way me and friends of mine used WH's when we would make wb's back on live. AND FOR THE RECORD ALL MY WB'S were voice comed on vent, because it is the only way to properly coordinate and assist on main. Secondly, this relies on high crit, and WH no longer has high crit.
I would have 2 to 3 WH's in the wb that were specced for heal and armor debuff with exit wounds, that were spread out to two groups in the wb. These two groups would deal with enemy tanks while my other 2 groups pushed enemy backlines.
With the WH's heal and armor debuffing tanks we would get them out of the way quick then concentrate on killing off squishes in a loud and vocal bloodbath of destruction tears.
When facing an old fashioned bomb group I would get some WL's and pull in sorcs for quick execution by my WH's. Of course now, the WL pet speed is so slow you cant pull anything period ... but that is another thread.
Edit1; Basically for the WH to be viable in a wb you need to see how you can mesh their gifts/abilities with other classes in the wb. A WH alone will never be viable as just another dps.
Excuse me, what kinda Armor Debuff are you talking about ?
If you r talking about armor debuff as a form of proc from epic pistol t4, then sorry but dont call it "spec armor debuff" .
And about playstyle that u just described, you can do that as seperate group, you dont need to be in WB to do that, so i wouldnt call it as WB Utility WH.
On live WH´s Conqueror bonus was 10% chance 1200 or maybe even 1500 armor debuff proc, which would be fantastic for AOE spaming.
Sadly but WH has much harder times to deal with armor than WE since all of his attacks(except bullets) deal physical dmg while WE has more spirit/corp and PA which ignore armor from any angle.
drmordread wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:39 pm
JUST MY OPINION, not saying or asking to be switched back;
Best way the WH has utility in a WB is the same way me and friends of mine used WH's when we would make wb's back on live. AND FOR THE RECORD ALL MY WB'S were voice comed on vent, because it is the only way to properly coordinate and assist on main. Secondly, this relies on high crit, and WH no longer has high crit.
I would have 2 to 3 WH's in the wb that were specced for heal and armor debuff with exit wounds, that were spread out to two groups in the wb. These two groups would deal with enemy tanks while my other 2 groups pushed enemy backlines.
With the WH's heal and armor debuffing tanks we would get them out of the way quick then concentrate on killing off squishes in a loud and vocal bloodbath of destruction tears.
When facing an old fashioned bomb group I would get some WL's and pull in sorcs for quick execution by my WH's. Of course now, the WL pet speed is so slow you cant pull anything period ... but that is another thread.
Edit1; Basically for the WH to be viable in a wb you need to see how you can mesh their gifts/abilities with other classes in the wb. A WH alone will never be viable as just another dps.
Excuse me, what kinda Armor Debuff are you talking about ?
If you r talking about armor debuff as a form of proc from epic pistol t4, then sorry but dont call it "spec armor debuff" .
And about playstyle that u just described, you can do that as seperate group, you dont need to be in WB to do that, so i wouldnt call it as WB Utility WH.
On live WH´s Conqueror bonus was 10% chance 1200 or maybe even 1500 armor debuff proc, which would be fantastic for AOE spaming.
Sadly but WH has much harder times to deal with armor than WE since all of his attacks(except bullets) deal physical dmg while WE has more spirit/corp and PA which ignore armor from any angle.
Excuse me, what kinda Armor Debuff are you talking about ?
If you r talking about armor debuff as a form of proc from epic pistol t4, then sorry but dont call it "spec armor debuff" .
And about playstyle that u just described, you can do that as seperate group, you dont need to be in WB to do that, so i wouldnt call it as WB Utility WH.
On live WH´s Conqueror bonus was 10% chance 1200 or maybe even 1500 armor debuff proc, which would be fantastic for AOE spaming.
Sadly but WH has much harder times to deal with armor than WE since all of his attacks(except bullets) deal physical dmg while WE has more spirit/corp and PA which ignore armor from any angle.
And more WS.
Bal is elemental dmg....both wh/we st are fine they are lacking in aoe department.
On live WH´s Conqueror bonus was 10% chance 1200 or maybe even 1500 armor debuff proc, which would be fantastic for AOE spaming.
Sadly but WH has much harder times to deal with armor than WE since all of his attacks(except bullets) deal physical dmg while WE has more spirit/corp and PA which ignore armor from any angle.
And more WS.
Bal is elemental dmg....both wh/we st are fine they are lacking in aoe department.
On live WH´s Conqueror bonus was 10% chance 1200 or maybe even 1500 armor debuff proc, which would be fantastic for AOE spaming.
Sadly but WH has much harder times to deal with armor than WE since all of his attacks(except bullets) deal physical dmg while WE has more spirit/corp and PA which ignore armor from any angle.
And more WS.
Bal is elemental dmg....both wh/we st are fine they are lacking in aoe department.
Bal is elemental dmg? Since when?
Re: [WH AoE] Let the MAD DOG loose
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:26 pm
by Tesq
The fact the tooltip dont say it dosen't mean is not elemental dmg....same stuff as kobs aura dmg..it's ele, not phys
Re: [WH AoE] Let the MAD DOG loose
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:13 pm
by Wdova
Why armor debuff effect its dmg than?
Re: [WH AoE] Let the MAD DOG loose
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:17 pm
by Tesq
Wdova wrote: Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:13 pm
Why armor debuff effect its dmg than?
From when...me taking dmg and other wh server side confirmed me that is ele dmg, are you sure?
drmordread wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:39 pm
JUST MY OPINION, not saying or asking to be switched back;
Best way the WH has utility in a WB is the same way me and friends of mine used WH's when we would make wb's back on live. AND FOR THE RECORD ALL MY WB'S were voice comed on vent, because it is the only way to properly coordinate and assist on main. Secondly, this relies on high crit, and WH no longer has high crit.
I would have 2 to 3 WH's in the wb that were specced for heal and armor debuff with exit wounds, that were spread out to two groups in the wb. These two groups would deal with enemy tanks while my other 2 groups pushed enemy backlines.
With the WH's heal and armor debuffing tanks we would get them out of the way quick then concentrate on killing off squishes in a loud and vocal bloodbath of destruction tears.
When facing an old fashioned bomb group I would get some WL's and pull in sorcs for quick execution by my WH's. Of course now, the WL pet speed is so slow you cant pull anything period ... but that is another thread.
Edit1; Basically for the WH to be viable in a wb you need to see how you can mesh their gifts/abilities with other classes in the wb. A WH alone will never be viable as just another dps.
Excuse me, what kinda Armor Debuff are you talking about ?
If you r talking about armor debuff as a form of proc from epic pistol t4, then sorry but dont call it "spec armor debuff" .
And about playstyle that u just described, you can do that as seperate group, you dont need to be in WB to do that, so i wouldnt call it as WB Utility WH.
JUST MY OPINION, not saying or asking to be switched back;
Best way the WH has utility in a WB is the same way me and friends of mine used WH's when we would make wb's back on live. AND FOR THE RECORD ALL MY WB'S were voice comed on vent, because it is the only way to properly coordinate and assist on main. Secondly, this relies on high crit, and WH no longer has high crit.
Spoiler:
I would have 2 to 3 WH's in the wb that were specced for heal and armor debuff with exit wounds, that were spread out to two groups in the wb. These two groups would deal with enemy tanks while my other 2 groups pushed enemy backlines.
With the WH's heal and armor debuffing tanks we would get them out of the way quick then concentrate on killing off squishes in a loud and vocal bloodbath of destruction tears.
When facing an old fashioned bomb group I would get some WL's and pull in sorcs for quick execution by my WH's. Of course now, the WL pet speed is so slow you cant pull anything period ... but that is another thread.
Edit1; Basically for the WH to be viable in a wb you need to see how you can mesh their gifts/abilities with other classes in the wb. A WH alone will never be viable as just another dps.
Excuse me, what kinda Armor Debuff are you talking about ?
If you r talking about armor debuff as a form of proc from epic pistol t4, then sorry but dont call it "spec armor debuff" .
And about playstyle that u just described, you can do that as seperate group, you dont need to be in WB to do that, so i wouldnt call it as WB Utility WH.
Pro tip; Check out Seal of Destruction
Pro tip, its 7s buff with 60s CD and if u use it u cant use Shroud of Magus at the same time...
So yea i know about it, its cool looking burst and nothing more...
On top of that its in middle tree so either u have to spec 3 trees w/o Dragon Gun and RB, or u lose Crit bonus dmg - no thanks.
When u compare this to WE who actually can spec 3 trees regardless she still got additional Weapon Skill so she can maintain WS around 700+...
Swap that ability with Van Horstmaan's Speculum, then maybe we can talk...
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