Destro tanks

[Aebel]

It all comes down to personal preference as all 3 Order tanks are effective in their own ways. BG, arguably, takes more skill it's like the IB, playing a piano, watching the various buffs and abilities.

Chosen is relatively simple in concept, pick the right auras for your build/playstyle, keep the aoe wound debuff and dots up and go to town with ravage or relentless depending on build.

I can not speak for the BO, never played one.

The most inportant thing, for all tanks is to learn to switch guard and identify who will best benefit from it in any given situation. Also learn to punt properly, otherwise you waste one of the most powerful tank abilities.

Well higher skill requirements also usually means a higher skill ceiling as well which is fine by me. Are BGs much sought after for 6v6 or wb level play?

Well no, Chosen is a class that benefits your whole group while a BG is a relatively selfish class that benefits you and one other. It's not about skill ceiling.

Fair enough, but doesnt BG work more around debuffing the enemy (which is useful to the group) vs the IB which is more about buffing themselves and one other? I could be super wrong, im going off mostly reading their skills on the builder

[Fallenkezef]

Well higher skill requirements also usually means a higher skill ceiling as well which is fine by me. Are BGs much sought after for 6v6 or wb level play?

Well no, Chosen is a class that benefits your whole group while a BG is a relatively selfish class that benefits you and one other. It's not about skill ceiling.

Fair enough, but doesnt BG work more around debuffing the enemy (which is useful to the group) vs the IB which is more about buffing themselves and one other? I could be super wrong, im going off mostly reading their skills on the builder

Aye, not saying these classes do not have wider roles and utility. But to say "this class is easier, therfore inferior" is incorrect.

[Aebel]

Well no, Chosen is a class that benefits your whole group while a BG is a relatively selfish class that benefits you and one other. It's not about skill ceiling.

Fair enough, but doesnt BG work more around debuffing the enemy (which is useful to the group) vs the IB which is more about buffing themselves and one other? I could be super wrong, im going off mostly reading their skills on the builder

Aye, not saying these classes do not have wider roles and utility. But to say "this class is easier, therfore inferior" is incorrect.

Ahhh, got ya!

[Fallenkezef]

This game does tanks very well in that all three tanks in both factions have multiple uses, multiple roles and multiple, viable spec choices.

It really does come down to which looks better for you and which mechanic feels most comfortable.

[Collateral]

Bo was a hybrid tank that played an offensive role till the changes to tree hit combo, now for 2h only. That pretty much forced anyone who wanted to do decent damage to go 2h. But the problem is that the bo doesn't have much in the department of survival while being 2h. It has low base ini, and no abilities to passively or actively boost parry/dodge/disrupt. That makes it pretty difficult to play, since every good order rdps knows how squishy you probably are, and will instantly focus you.

Of course you can play a hybrid 2h bo, but personally I think it requires high rr, good group built with 2h bo in mind, and decent gear and talis. Bo is still the hardest hitting destro tank tho. You can have pretty nice burst if you go more on the offensive side, but for that you need rr 70.

For a tank role, bo is also quite good. You have your can't hit me (wods but for shield), htl (obv), da greenest bellow, and other self buffs that can increase your tankiness. I'm not sure, but I think bo has the highest self armour buff in the game, above 900, if you go full mid tree. And you can keep it up 100% in a fight.

In the end tho, it all comes down to your ability to play the archetype. As people mentioned, swapping guard and looking after your allies is the only thing that counts really. The rest is just different types of buffs/debuffs, and looks (where bo definitely wins if you ask me )

Excellent input, thank you. I assume they changed the three hit combo because they were capable of too much damage while being tanky? I always took the class to not bring a lot of group utility kinda like a SM but bellows seem to be a pretty good buff for your party to have

Well not really. You can never be a tanky tank while going hybrid (in regards to bo), since you also wanna be capable of supporting your dps with additional pressure.

Bo is far from a selfish class. It has a stat steal bellow that brings a lot of group utility, and the ws buff that is always useful to melee dps and sh.

[Shooshpanzerer]

If you want to do largescale - stay away from BG. SnB BG doesn't have utility, 2h lacks survibability. Chosen is easymode. But if you ask me "i want to roll destro, what class should i take for the realm", i'd say Zealot. Destro has enough tanks, it's order problem, destro lacks healers.

[kmark101]

If you want to do largescale - stay away from BG. SnB BG doesn't have utility, 2h lacks survibability. Chosen is easymode. But if you ask me "i want to roll destro, what class should i take for the realm", i'd say Zealot. Destro has enough tanks, it's order problem, destro lacks healers.

I think that's not quite correct, destro has shittons of healers, all organized and actually healing (instead of dps'ing). An average scenario has 4-5 destro healers and 2 order healers and this is going on for weeks and weeks now. Destro is like the salvation army with so many healers. And what order lacks more than anything is actually focused dps.

[Aebel]

If you want to do largescale - stay away from BG. SnB BG doesn't have utility, 2h lacks survibability. Chosen is easymode. But if you ask me "i want to roll destro, what class should i take for the realm", i'd say Zealot. Destro has enough tanks, it's order problem, destro lacks healers.

I think that's not quite correct, destro has shittons of healers, all organized and actually healing (instead of dps'ing). An average scenario has 4-5 destro healers and 2 order healers and this is going on for weeks and weeks now. Destro is like the salvation army with so many healers. And what order lacks more than anything is actually focused dps.

Which classes would you consider focused dps?

[Shooshpanzerer]

I think that's not quite correct, destro has shittons of healers, all organized and actually healing (instead of dps'ing). An average scenario has 4-5 destro healers and 2 order healers and this is going on for weeks and weeks now. Destro is like the salvation army with so many healers. And what order lacks more than anything is actually focused dps.

Well, guess things changed while we're on hiatus, and i'm speaking oRvR, didn't play scens more than needed.

[tazdingo]

BG is very good at heavily focusing on either offense or defense, having a great dps spec and the greatest turtle spec, but is very selfish and brings little utility. debuffs are usually covered by other classes (outside of -crit). BG is excellent for pub and solo play as just being a great standalone fighter class but compared to chosen auras and BO bellows brings too little for organized group to desire you

chosen is all around amazing, auras are OP, can get massive parry for guardbotting and can do good assist dmg with little DPS investment thanks to blast wave, ravage and touch of palsy (none require high str or crits). you can never ever go wrong rolling a chosen they are so good for both small and large scale, pubs and organized

BO cookie cutter bruiser build is gone and i don't know what people are doing now. 2H i've seen some vids where it worked but they were all 70+. BO is no turtle for sure having no real avoidance but with aoe snare, da greenest and a massive self armour buff you can still play defensive and have a big impact. BO is a great class and always desired but snb THC was just such a massive loss that i'd wait to see what the devs do next before lvling one