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Re: WH build
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:36 am
by hamun
Didnt know about that SS counter, thank you for telling me that, everyone is still learning
Most times flee + AP is solution to deal with SHs
BTW I was thinking about using 2 Overlord pieces which gives 10% chance for 30% slow, did u try? I have only 1 piece atm, so still long way to try
Re: WH build
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:21 am
by Falkenstein
I just recently returned after approximately 3/4 year break i only have 300 ish of the t4 currency and I mostly spam scs since orvr at eu times is pretty garbage/zerg vs zerg action and stalemate situations don't see myself getting it anytime soon but 10% chance is probably unreliable but okay. I'd still say its unnecessary you're trading 62 strength and 3 crit in the 5/2/2 setup for a 30% slow and 10% aa speed while you already have a 40% slow on snap shot just strafe left or right before the cast finishes and if they don't 360% spin you should get the slow off most of the time also a recent patch brought in glue bombs they might help too.
Tbh the defensive one with 7% dodge/parry/disrupt proc is probably better for a swap in if you wanna spec 20/20 dodge parry disrupt.
Re: WH build
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:35 am
by hamun
Yeah you are probably right, dont know much about new potions and stuff, didnt see them still, is there any list of new potions and stuff?
Re: WH build
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:31 pm
by Hastykrasty
Your build seems weak against mdps, since you lack defensive measures.
For solo I suggest you to go for parry-riposte approach with 1st tree, you will do great versus mdps and 2h tanks or melee doks. Furthermore, vindication+SoM is devastating when facing casters in general (especially with recend dots changes) or dps healers like shammies.
The only weakness is against pure healers and good SHs (however if you spec full crit they will be dead in a moment)
Re: WH build
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:19 am
by hamun
Torquemadra wrote:I don't really run addons but regardless of build, and you should try all trees to see what fits you best, flowing accusations is a solid gold tactic
After few days using it I have to say its really good tactic.. I am not giving it out definitely
Re: WH build
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:46 am
by tionblack
Falkenstein wrote:
If you wanna do as much damage as possible and then run i'd suggest you use prolonged confession or jagged edge penetrating barbs over Inquisitors fury.
You should SoD before pistol whip since pw has the highest base damage of any non finisher attack of the wh when you're specced for Bal.
Don't use ptf unless you know the target is going to get healed/is a BG. Use Seekers blade instead.
And please don't be one of those Wh who uses bullets of confession as multi purpose tool unless you're the dgun wh of a zerg and run encouraged confession for aoe crit buffs. ;D
If you have problems surviving 30 points into futile strikes 30 points into crit and about 360 ish init should help you against spike damage. I have 800ish strength 19 or 20% crit 7500-10k health and 2700ish armor don't let your defense slide boys and gals.
Good Luck and Happy Hunting ;D
lol jagged edge ? its an insane waste man.... also penetrating barbs aswell... horrible tactics to use when you got prolonged confession or flowing accusations or righteous steel,vindication.
Vindication is a miraclous tactic for scenarios.(since mostly there is a magus or soorc or shaman spamming spells on you ) ( and even at rvr you change tactics due to enemy class )
Do not use Jagged edge makes no sense...
Re: WH build
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:49 am
by tionblack
hamun wrote:
Didnt know about that SS counter, thank you for telling me that, everyone is still learning
Most times flee + AP is solution to deal with SHs
BTW I was thinking about using 2 Overlord pieces which gives 10% chance for 30% slow, did u try? I have only 1 piece atm, so still long way to try
Overlord is awesome for snare if you do solo roam rvr.( or if you hardcore solo go for the snare epic quest weapon against shamans its gold or shs)
Re: WH build
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:17 am
by tionblack
Also of course playstyles are differs from person to person but
i think using armor talismans in talisman slot is heresy because you should never be tanking enemy attacks long enough for you to need high armor value and even if you do high parry(supported by righteous steel) or repel blasphemy should be your exit way out. If you want a tanky brawler
definitly WH is not the right one due to LIGHT armor. By sacrificing str you loose your biggest weapon aka burst.(if you find yourself in the positions where you have to tank you are doing something wrong)
You use 7-8 slots of talismans total ( 9 with if you run skaven ring )and considering you have 2700 armor means you used all of them with armor means you lost
22x7=154 str. 154 STR is not only 154 meele power but also parry strikethrou plus the higher str you got the less chance enemy will be defending your attack.(calculated via your str and targets weapon skill.)
In PvP
Burst kills you and if you wanna survive that you need crit rate reduction aka futile strikes least 2 points or full dominator if you really wanna go defensive ( instead of armor stacking you can try this set itself gives % 8 anti crit bonus ,but not sure how wise to loose so many crit from armor gear)(also consider anticrit works against both physical and magic)
That is it from me
Have fun everyone.
Re: WH build
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:42 am
by sinadin
does Seal of Destruction get applied to all BAL tics or only if it's still active?
Re: WH build
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:11 pm
by Falkenstein
Well thats just...like your opinion man. 154 str is about 30-40 extra damage to your skills 7x124 armor is an extra 868 armor, thats what? 19-20% reduced physical damage taken. And yeah running around with 14+ chance to be crit at rr 60 spending 30 points into crit 30 into futile strike should pretty much be a nobrainer considering that all the engineers and sws sh can remove 15% parry dodge and block and choppa and slayer remove 50% on top of 5% from conq. ~30% from str vs ws on top of other reductions.
Ultimately it depends on what YOU want to play don't let my expertise scare you from playing what you want. If getting the highest damage you possibly can is what you crave then so be it.