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[Penril]

Have you ever considered maybe they didnt help you because you were OOG?

They didn't anyway. The majority of war players think along the lines of kill their healer first and hope ours looks after himself.

Please answer me this: if you joined an SC and saw good players on your side, the ones who assist each other and protect their backlines... did you still go OOG?

[Telen]

Please answer me this: if you joined an SC and saw good players on your side, the ones who assist each other and protect their backlines... did you still go OOG?

Ofc. If you had those players with half a brain you'd be spawn camping most of the sc anyway.

[Penril]

Please answer me this: if you joined an SC and saw good players on your side, the ones who assist each other and protect their backlines... did you still go OOG?

Ofc. If you had those players with half a brain you'd be spawn camping most of the sc anyway.

So even if you had a good group who protected your ass and did all the killing, you still thought it was perfectly fine to earn like 10 times the renown they did.

This is why renown gains while healing OOG is wrong. I hope it never gets fixed in RoR.

[Telen]

So even if you had a good group who protected your ass and did all the killing, you still thought it was perfectly fine to earn like 10 times the renown they did.

This is why OOG healing is wrong. I hope it never gets fixed in RoR.

If I'm doing all the healing keeping a bunch of no hopers alive that keep over extending.
They better give me more renown or I'm switching to dps. That bonus rp was for carrying.
Youd have seen a lot less healers without it particularly as am/rp werent gimped nearly as much as superwp by dropping group. That was a deserved bonus for not being mythics love child class.

[Penril]

So even if you had a good group who protected your ass and did all the killing, you still thought it was perfectly fine to earn like 10 times the renown they did.

This is why OOG healing is wrong. I hope it never gets fixed in RoR.

If I'm doing all the healing keeping a bunch of no hopers alive that keep over extending.
They better give me more renown or I'm switching to dps. That bonus rp was for carrying.
You have seen a lot less healers without it.

That's why i asked if you would still heal OOG if you saw good players on your side. You said you would.

I understand going OOG if you are stuck with a bunch of failures, but if you have good players on your side (which protect you and do all the killing) i think it is rude to be a renown ***** and stay OOG. You are not carrying anyone in this case; you are just doing your job while they do theirs.

Sorry, but the amount of self-entitlement OOG healers have is laughable. As i said, all it takes is for me/my group to decide not to kill anything and OOG healers would get zero renown.

[Penril]

Youd have seen a lot less healers without it particularly as am/rp werent gimped nearly as much as superwp by dropping group. That was a deserved bonus for not being mythics love child class.

I played a BO for 5 years, and i never ever asked for a renown bonus just for playing that class.

[Telen]

BO have WAAAAAYYYYYYY more group utility than AM.

Heres a wild idea. Actually give them a REASON to be in a group in the first place. Any of the **** ton of group utility the other healers get. Spammable gcleanse, group armor buff or heal bless proc. Instead of a resistance buff that gets out done by a single kotbs aura or a 20s cd bubble that a mara can pop with an aa.

As far as I'm concerned. oog renown was a balance issue due to massive group utility disparity.

Only time there was a big difference being in or oog was los ghealing in keep defence.

[Penril]

BO have WAAAAAYYYYYYY more group utility than AM.

Heres a wild idea. Actually give them a REASON to be in a group in the first place. Any of the **** ton of group utility the other healers get. Spammable gcleanse, group armor buff or heal bless proc. Instead of a resistance buff that gets out done by a single kotbs aura or a 20s cd bubble that a mara can pop with an aa.

Just because class balance was fubar doesn't mean you are entitled to gain x10 more renown than other people.

As far as I'm concerned. oog renown was a balance issue due to massive group utility disparity.

It wasn't. Just because it is that way to you doesn't make it true.

Only time there was a big difference being in or oog was los ghealing in keep defence.

This is a lie. OOG healers got way more renown than anyone else in SCs. WAY more.

[Telen]

Just because class balance was fubar doesn't mean you are entitled to gain x10 more renown than other people.

Why? It was a game mechanic. Just like the broken class mechanics. If some people get advantages in some parts of the game why shouldn't others where they can.

It wasn't. Just because it is that way to you doesn't make it true.

Course it was. WP's never dropped group because they had FAR more effectiveness being in group.

This is a lie. OOG healers got way more renown than anyone else in SCs. WAY more. Keep defenses were nicer due to AAO though. Also, "only time" is kinda relative considering you could have a lot of keep defenses in a day.

Yet other healers particularly if you had a wp (which you almost as they were fotm) got more rp if you were in group due to their faster casts landing before yours. Being stuck in a group with a wp massively reduced your renown gain. I'd always join groups for keepd for that reason.

Its not like this was some sort of new or unknown issue. Mythic knew about these grouping balance issues with healers and that wp got way more benefit and more rp. They did nothing to fix it. So people dropped group. If they didnt want them to they could have fixed it at any time over 5 years. They prefered to allow oog and not upset their wp/dok players by making any balance changes.

[Penril]

Its not like this was some sort of new or unknown issue. Mythic knew about these grouping balance issues with healers and that wp got way more benefit and more rp. They did nothing to fix it. So people dropped group. If they didnt want them to they could have fixed it at any time over 5 years. They prefered to allow oog and not upset their wp/dok players by making any balance changes.

Are you really suggesting that, since mythic did nothing to fix something in the game, then it must have been right?

Anyway, we can do the "yes it was! no it wasnt! yes it was! no it wasnt!" routine for hours. But i'd prefer to just simply agree to disagree.