Return of Reckoning

But still wp dok easy more than Amor cap and after Amor debuff still massiv Amor = dmg reduction.

To solve the problem, a new separate AOE detaunt has to be created instead of enhancing the single target one; creating new abilities is not possible at the moment, as it requires client modification.

you all need forgot how OP was WP/DoK on live.
on RoR you have shity SE/RF regen (8) on live you have 10or12 from chalice and proc from sov. that was op you dont need to smite, pray do bullshit. Here you must pray almost everytime. And you cant realy tank 3 dps with brain.
Second thing armor armor ... on RoR doesnt matter how many armor you have when is WL/Mara with 1600 armor debuff. On live you face same armor debuff, but you have 3-4x more armor

With stacking armor debuffs on RoR (item proc/ability + tactic + M1), i wouldn't call any armor value OP atm. Indeed it's, in theory, an underwhelming defense stat against any coordinated melee group and it affects the base armor values, which are an underlying part of the archetype balance.
I think instead of allowing armor debuffs to stack, which renders every tank to a cloth class and every medium/cloth armor class naked, nerfing the values of additional modifiers that are available to everyone, i.e. armor talis and pots, is a better approach. M1 and WL/marauder armor debuffs being unavoidable, while the item procs + M1 can't be cleansed makes everything even worse.

Foltestik wrote:you all need forgot how OP was WP/DoK on live.
on RoR you have shity SE/RF regen (8) on live you have 10or12 from chalice and proc from sov. that was op you dont need to smite, pray do bullshit. Here you must pray almost everytime. And you cant realy tank 3 dps with brain.
Second thing armor armor ... on RoR doesnt matter how many armor you have when is WL/Mara with 1600 armor debuff. On live you face same armor debuff, but you have 3-4x more armor

+1 yup

On live I think you could 12-14 regen at max, basically allowing you to ranged heal all the time, with maybe 5-6k armour (I almost got close to 7k with LoTD armour procs on my DoK), a strong 1600 armour debuff was barely felt back then. Here that same arm debuff takes a majority of armour away from bunch of classes, if not all of it away.

I remember seeing some ultra defensive WPs on live tank half a WB, though it must have been mostly PUGs trying to hit it.

The lack of AoE detaunt here is somewhat harsh, but considering how armour is king, DoK/Wp have excellent defences still in T4.
Perhaps one possible solution would be to allow the tactic to enable Chalice/Book wielders the AoE detaunt, but maybe increase the CD from 15 seconds to say 30 seconds, and then shorten the period of the detaunt from 15 to 10 seconds So instead of old 100% aoe detaunt uptime, you could now have it 20 out of 60 seconds active, effectively 33% of time?

Perhaps one possible solution would be to allow the tactic to enable Chalice/Book wielders the AoE detaunt, but maybe increase the CD from 15 seconds to say 30 seconds, and then shorten the period of the detaunt from 15 to 10 seconds So instead of old 100% aoe detaunt uptime, you could now have it 20 out of 60 seconds active, effectively 33% of time?

Anything would be nice till the client control hits.

I agree. But 100% uptime aoe detaunt medium armor is to OP aswell. Should have acces to aoe detaunt(same as rp/zealot).

Or make the aoe detaunt bound tactic again, but the cooldown on the detaunt set to 30-45 seconds

Wouldn't it be possible to change the WP/DoK detaunt to AoE detaunt by default and with a 30sec CD and make the tactic for it reduce the CD to 10 seconds instead, if meeting the weapon requirement?

I mean, at its current state its almoast impossible to play the classes as they were meant to be played which is using heals close to the frontline and then lifetaps to regain resources. You don't have the resource management from procs like on live so can't really backline either. The nerf to the AoE cleanse is also problematic due to the same reasons. You just take to much damage to play the classes atm, along with bad burst heals, bad kiting capabillity and poor utillity in general.

I said this when nerfhammer of the DoK/WP began. Bring the powerlevel of the other healers up to their level instead. WP and DoK were used coz they simply worked while Sha and AM didn't. And ZE and RP were very close to that of DoK and WP and just need some minor tweaking.

Foltestik wrote:And you cant realy tank 3 dps with brain.

3 dps with brain? ^^ maybe you play on a other server

this is not the live server so who cares that the dok was op on live?! btw all healer was tankier on live

a dok/wp with 100% uptime with a 50% aoe detaunt is super tanky, if you use your brain xD

@ road, the idea with the cd is nice

Preferably not have more aoe detaunts as standard ingame. Having Shamans fart out aoe detaunt effortlessly is painful enough to deal with. Giving AoE detaunt to WP/DoK as standard would be even more of a headache, they have twice the armour as standard compared to regular healers which is good enough.