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Re: DPS AM hither and thither

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:13 pm
by peterthepan3
Shaman don't and they're pretty popular, plus other classes. It's called a burst rotation mate. I speak from pov of dps am in a group and not soloing so they play differently. Lance fury searing together is good burst. You should never just searing on its own (assuming you can set up a rotation)

Re: DPS AM hither and thither

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:15 pm
by shaggyboomboom
[quote="gebajger"]
2. Lance has the exact same dmg as laser, but with a cast time (you can use laser on the run for the 1st tick before its interrupted),fury has even less, with limited range...If you start spamming lance/fury you wont be able to keep up the dots for the full duration of laser (searing touch)
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Ye, but getting it in does happen, its a 1.2/2s cast so it wont hurt you. BW also have 2s cast abilities and they manage to do just fine.

Re: DPS AM hither and thither

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:07 pm
by gebajger
As I said, whatever floats your boat....for me that tactic is a waste of slot, it doesn't mean it is for everyone.

Lance is slower, costs more action, and does the same dmg, unless.....you are sitting on tranqility points which is pretty much never if you're dpsing. The op was about dps AM, not hybrid, or healers trying to dps. And if you land it you have 25% to remove something that 2 out of the 3 healer classes don't even have. You cant switch tactics in combat, when you realize they only have dok and/or zealot.

Re: DPS AM hither and thither

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:28 pm
by peterthepan3
The idea isn't to replace Searing Touch with Lance...rather, to have them hit at the same time (along with Fury), thus resulting in more burst DPS (burst being that which kills things).

If you're soloing/pugging, it isn't really important. But if you are using the DPS AM against another group, you have to min-max. Similar to how a Magus does BoC/SOI/SVF to hit in the same timestamp.

DM removes a blessing from enemy. Classes that use blessings: Blackguard (their shield/parry/armor/crit reduce), DoK (aoe heal/shield), Black Orc (aoe armor buff, shield), Zealot (various buffs/bubbles), etc. Probably more I've missed. Point being it isn't as useless as people make out, deals spirit dmg whenever it procs (and iirc it can proc aoe-wied from dissipating energies).

If you're up against good players I'd use 10% undefendable and the Asuryan variant, too. Nothing worse than having your dots disrupted.

Re: DPS AM hither and thither

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:30 pm
by Penril
It really isn't that hard. Try to do as much damage as possible in a short timestamp

DoTs
3 (or 2) second skill that has travel time
1s skill
Instant skill
Channel

That's what sorcs/BWs do. If it didn't work you would just see them spamming Doombolt/Fireball.

Re: DPS AM hither and thither

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:51 pm
by peterthepan3
What mi amigo dijo.

Re: DPS AM hither and thither

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:34 pm
by shaggyboomboom
pref rotation is:
transfer force -> law of conduct -> searing gaze -> ap drain -> scatter -> lance -> fury/silence -> storm of cronos (if u got it) -> searing touch

Re: DPS AM hither and thither

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:36 pm
by peterthepan3
shaggyboomboom wrote:pref rotation is:
transfer force -> law of conduct -> searing gaze -> ap drain -> scatter -> lance -> fury/silence -> storm of cronos (if u got it) -> searing touch
You wanna ensure spirit debuff is applied either via sm or storm prior to abilities. Iirc abilities used pre-debuff don't benefit from it?

Re: DPS AM hither and thither

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:40 pm
by shaggyboomboom
peterthepan3 wrote:
shaggyboomboom wrote:pref rotation is:
transfer force -> law of conduct -> searing gaze -> ap drain -> scatter -> lance -> fury/silence -> storm of cronos (if u got it) -> searing touch
You wanna ensure spirit debuff is applied either via sm or storm prior to abilities. Iirc abilities used pre-debuff don't benefit from it?
well ye, if you want better sustain use spirit debuff, for bigger burst use my version

Re: DPS AM hither and thither

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:44 pm
by charlysixb
Penril wrote:It really isn't that hard. Try to do as much damage as possible in a short timestamp

DoTs
3 (or 2) second skill that has travel time
1s skill
Instant skill
Channel

That's what sorcs/BWs do. If it didn't work you would just see them spamming Doombolt/Fireball.
That is! He summed it up perfectly.