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Re: The Skirmisher SW

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 10:14 am
by roadkillrobin
Ugle wrote:Zerg surf aoe/killsteal speccRoR.builders - Shadow Warrior
Also using as regular specc with different tactics. As I'm only rr50+, requires merc. Slotted with WS atm. 970 bs, 700 ws, 6200 wounds, 22% crit in assault stance. Two instant aoe skills for ks/contribution.
Don't you think the Leading Shots works alot better then Powefull Draw tho?
8% crit for both healers and a BW/Slayer (wich you should be grouped with) compared to hitting maybe 2-3 targets more.

Re: The Skirmisher SW

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 10:18 am
by Ugle
roadkillrobin wrote:
Ugle wrote:Zerg surf aoe/killsteal speccRoR.builders - Shadow Warrior
Also using as regular specc with different tactics. As I'm only rr50+, requires merc. Slotted with WS atm. 970 bs, 700 ws, 6200 wounds, 22% crit in assault stance. Two instant aoe skills for ks/contribution.
Don't you think the Leading Shots works alot better then Powefull Draw tho?
8% crit for both healers and a BW/Slayer (wich you should be grouped with) compared to hitting maybe 2-3 targets more.
For WB specc definatley, for zerg surf specc definatley not :)
Also in this specc I can change tactics and gear and dont need to respecc to have a 85% optimal specc for most situations.

Re: The Skirmisher SW

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:14 am
by dansari
Interesting perspectives.. I never thought about what a wb spec would look like. I guess that's my NA showing!

Re: The Skirmisher SW

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 7:54 am
by lastalien

Re: The Skirmisher SW

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 8:16 am
by Darosh
You posted the same spec twice, mate.
Abbd.: Strike that, just noticed the change in tactics, my bad.

Why would you opt for the AP if you are running in a WB and some level of AP feed can be expected, and, aside from that, is it safe to run SW in a WB setting without AoE detaunt?
Last but not least, wouldn't PD net your entire WB more dps all things considered?


Semi-offtopic:
Does anyone remember Larrison by chance? :(

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Re: The Skirmisher SW

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 8:20 am
by roadkillrobin
Bulls Eye = + 10% more dmg dealt and 7% more taking vs No Respite wich is basicly a flat 15% increase and +/- 0 taken. Considering you run ES aswell i really don't get it. And you can easily get a tank or healer to spec for AP recovery for you. No need for RS.

Re: The Skirmisher SW

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:26 am
by Ugle
If crit rate is high, bullseye is not necessary. Also would spec +75ap on dodge/disrupt instead of RS if ap is scarce given the inevitable disrupt/dodges from tanks and healers. For "offdps" Piercing defenses and Leading shots is a must yes.

As "main dps" I would also consider Powerful draw to not have to always go balls deep, but that kinda negates expert skirmisher. Considering overall back and forth flows in wb fights, I find using both overall gives the most effect.

Re: The Skirmisher SW

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 11:11 am
by Darosh
Ugle wrote:If crit rate is high, bullseye is not necessary. Also would spec +75ap on dodge/disrupt instead of RS if ap is scarce given the inevitable disrupt/dodges from tanks and healers. For "offdps" Piercing defenses and Leading shots is a must yes.

As "main dps" I would also consider Powerful draw to not have to always go balls deep, but that kinda negates expert skirmisher. Considering overall back and forth flows in wb fights, I find using both overall gives the most effect.
If theres a back and forth goin on, one could opt for applying ST pressure and skip Powerful Draw I'd say.
PD (Piercing Defense; I didn't even remember Powerful Draw...) should imo be a fix pick, it might not necessarily push your own damage to its very limits but the dps it adds to your WB as a whole will, in sum, make up for whatever you drop for it, besides LS.

Additionally you decrease the chance of your enemies avoiding crucial debuffs/cc, and given its a tactic it will stack with similar effects from normal abilites - if you were to face a kiting group you could drop a guardbots avoidance close to nil if you coordinate your stuff with members of your WB.

You on your own can reduce a guardbots block chance by 25% with Acid Arrow, if a SL gets his NS off you look at a 65% reduction of (physical) avoidance that will even strip a Chosens parry, which will open the kite group; any group really, up to proper punishment via guarddmg.

Aside from that you almost entirely negate up to 60pts of RR; the parry is 17%, the dodge 18% and the block 10%, if your targets did not invest into avoidance via RR you'll negate all avoidance they potentially gain from their gear alone - alternatively you negate one instance of HtL, well one half of it.

Abbd.: Decreasing your enemies physical avoidance below 33% - which will be the case on pretty much everything thats not a tank - is massive. Especially if you are looking at a big scale engagement with all kinds of debuffs to mainstats floating around, every bit of "true" avoidance you negate is especially a boon to those members of your WB (mdps/tanks/engis/SWs) that still, for whatever reason, struggle to approach mainstat softcap and have to chew through some of the natural avoidance aswell (arguably more relevant to mdps than rdps, however...).

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Re: The Skirmisher SW

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 12:38 pm
by lastalien
roadkillrobin wrote:Bulls Eye = + 10% more dmg dealt and 7% more taking vs No Respite wich is basicly a flat 15% increase and +/- 0 taken. Considering you run ES aswell i really don't get it. And you can easily get a tank or healer to spec for AP recovery for you. No need for RS.
You can try other way :)

It is no matter, when you have tank's moral bomb :)
Tank and healer good, but i need more ap for aoe.