Heart says WH head says WE

[sotora]

It is a bull... that is being repeated over and over, but that does not make it true.

Both classes are preety much equal atm. Serve exactly same role and spot, have very similar strenght and weaknesses.

They can't be more equal than they are now imo, unless they would be changed to perfect mirrors just with diffrent 'race skin' for looks. Any non-minor change to WE or WH would require change to the other to keep the balance and role.


tl;dr

Just roll what you like more. They are one of best balanced mirrors in ROR.

[Psychocandy]

Thx a lot for the imput! One question, how does WH get more free parry? Righteous Steel being core? Ir am I missing sth?

[CegeePegee]

Sotora is correct, imo, that the 2 classes are *essentially* equal but there are some key differences that I've noticed. In my experience, WE is burstier and the combat feels faster and more fluid. I definitely see more death blows on my WE than my WH. WH on the other hand is a bit sturdier than WE (I can stay up noticeably longer on my WH when focused) and they have some ranged abilities from their pistol that ofc the WE does not enjoy. I find that solo killing is ever so slightly easier on my WH, for example I can go deep into the enemy backline and eff up a healer and maybe take it down on my own before I get taken down. On my WE I would need an assist to do that same thing since I can't stay up as long.

Of course, so much is dependent on how you spec so your mileage may vary.

[Krima]

Hi,
1. I have heard (and witnessed) about WEs defeating tanks, and hardly ever about WHs defeating tanks. Maybe this is due to abilities like Witchbrew and to a lesser extent Pierce Armor. I know stealth classes aren't supposed to be able to handle tanks, but I feel that I would like to play a class that stands a chance vs tanks if properly specced.

2. Another impression I gathered was that WEs can be really tough to kill with some specs. The self heal procs would seem to work better than the WH version is that corect? (The fact that kisses dont need frenzy to proc appeals to my mind as they free me from having to pay attention to or spend tactics to ensure procs.) Also, I can see tactics that decrease enemy crit rate by 25%, a tactic that grants an absorb shield on being hit, and the +10% parry tactic offers AP regen too.

3. Maybe I haven't looked well enough, but WHs don't seem to have a ranged KD, or do they? I'd like my toon to be able to have as many cc weapons as possible. Also the tactic that gives +25% run speed with the break root ability sounds cool to me.


I know, I know. Stealth classes are meant to be all about damage and burst down soft targets so fast that you dont need to spend on defensive nor worry about cc very much. And yet I would like the chance to play them sometimes in a different way.

So can you help me decide? Maybe I m wrong and WEs aren't any more versatile nor survivable than WHs, so I'd stick to the WH.

Thanks in advance.

1 - Yes, witchbrew helps alot but WH do just as good if played properly. As a WE you will have a hard time defeating 2h kotbs, high parry sm's.

2 - Kiss of doom = Ive tested the self heal procs many times, in a fight that last for 15 - 20 seconds lets say, it will heals u up to 1k health.. is that really worth ? no, better just pop a 3k pot if u need health, its not core, so u will be wasting a skill point to get the tactic. (kiss of doom can be good vs WL only, they like to leave pet hiting u and watch)
Sepitc blade =worthless tactic also, ive tried many times envenomed blade its rly bad to worth a GCD. not core also, U will need rr 60 to get this
Swift blades +10% parry = not core, stuck in left tree, WH has the same skill as core and the + AP is nothing special for WE since we have kiss of B, I do say righteous steel is better.

3- I Agree ! WEs has more cc, can spec for double knocs.

Some unique stuff that WH has fyi:

Seekers Blade: can not be defended against!, leaves a curse
Repel Blasphemy: 5 sec 100% parry is no joke!! + riposte, destro doesnt have rampage skill like slayers... If timed correctly its a very strong skill.
Prolonged confession - 50% to build extra accusation as WE 33% chance
Vindication - 35% more dmg = rip casters

soloing in lakes and 1v1s I do say WH = WE

[blaqwar]

Sotora is correct, imo, that the 2 classes are *essentially* equal but there are some key differences that I've noticed. In my experience, WE is burstier and the combat feels faster and more fluid. I definitely see more death blows on my WE than my WH. WH on the other hand is a bit sturdier than WE (I can stay up noticeably longer on my WH when focused) and they have some ranged abilities from their pistol that ofc the WE does not enjoy. I find that solo killing is ever so slightly easier on my WH, for example I can go deep into the enemy backline and eff up a healer and maybe take it down on my own before I get taken down. On my WE I would need an assist to do that same thing since I can't stay up as long.

Of course, so much is dependent on how you spec so your mileage may vary.

WE's have more ranged abilities than WH's do...

(BaL is melee only while all WE finishers are ranged, Witchbrew procs off thrown daggers even).

[SOcial]

Sotora is correct, imo, that the 2 classes are *essentially* equal but there are some key differences that I've noticed. In my experience, WE is burstier and the combat feels faster and more fluid. I definitely see more death blows on my WE than my WH. WH on the other hand is a bit sturdier than WE (I can stay up noticeably longer on my WH when focused) and they have some ranged abilities from their pistol that ofc the WE does not enjoy. I find that solo killing is ever so slightly easier on my WH, for example I can go deep into the enemy backline and eff up a healer and maybe take it down on my own before I get taken down. On my WE I would need an assist to do that same thing since I can't stay up as long.

Of course, so much is dependent on how you spec so your mileage may vary.

WE's have more ranged abilities than WH's do...

(BaL is melee only while all WE finishers are ranged, Witchbrew procs off thrown daggers even).

But WH as a hat and a trenchcoat so i guess WE is just rekt :p you die more as a WH but you do it with style haha

as said before imo overall WE is 10-20% ahead of WH overall but that's not huge, just WE as more sustained damage wich make a huge difference in an assist, as for now i'd trade a WH for a SL in a lot of comp (cause you know SL ...)

[Jaycub]

WE is just plain better, people get mad at full confession WH when they are pugging without healers because it's a great 1v1 against mdps build. But ultimately awful in any kind of real group situation since the damage is terrible (you are either losing 50% crit multiplier and scaling on your best dps abilities or healdebuff+SoD) so you essentially do less damage than a SM if something has guard and a healer you might as well just alt-F4.

Dragon gun might be getting buffed soon, but I still can't fathom how you can go into that tree witout becoming worse than WL/Slayer which WH pretty much already is on all levels. WE becomes a more viable choose in destro groups when you look at the meta comps, and considering that mara brings everything you need while order is forced to get the same debuffs from 2 classes. Not to mention destro tanks picking up slack they don't even need with things like the armor debuff/cd increaser on BO etc... It's not just about mirrors or WH vs WE, you have to also take into consideration the entire meta itself as well.

[nydig]

Was just lurking the forums and found this.

All i can say is both will solo very well and in groups you are better off being part of a assist train then going into the back lines where if someone is good enough to hit detaunt you just die and look stupid.

I also was more of a fan of going max dps and play more defensive so when you got on a target you were a huge threat including to even tanks. You would be surprised how much dmg you can do to a tank while building up your mechanic to stealth and hit another target with a fully loaded finisher.

The we m3 can give your group a massive 50% crit buff for super offense and wh can bring 50% parry buff or a 100% heal debuff m4. Sure you wont use the m4 much but it can win a fight in some situations.

As others have said you will die a lot no matter what you pick but you can also put out some of the highest single target dmg in the game and should just pick the side you either want to play the most or the side you would know people to group with.

[Daknallbomb]

What ever u read play what youre heart say. Both are playable

[Loans]

WE has better damage potential, WH has a little more versatility and hats and a gun so WH all the way.

Totally agree, WH > ALL