Patchnotes 15/12/16

[peterthepan3]

That is correct.

So currently a further nerf to dps WPs compared to dps DoKs? Guess it's time to park the WP on the selection screen again. Or equip the book, of course.

And if it stays like this, after exp. changes are reintroduced, then it does seem to severely limit spec builds for dps WPs - because you need to spend so many points in the Wrath tree to be somewhat viable.

You can't spec for Sigmar's Shield, because in exp. mode that's useless for a dps WP (even though in it's original form, I agree, that it's useless for all builds - but a version where it could have been useful for a dps WP would have been preferred) and you can't spec for the good old tri-build, where you pick up the absorb bubble from Salvation and Sigmar's Vision from Grace, without giving up on a needed dps ability/tactic from Wrath.

basic wrath dps
tactics are interchangeable

more than enough RR points, and you can get Sigmar's Vision/a decent SR.

Wrath shouldn't be able to get all of Grace's goodies, and vice-versa.

[Specialpatrol]

That is correct.

So currently a further nerf to dps WPs compared to dps DoKs? Guess it's time to park the WP on the selection screen again. Or equip the book, of course.

Just like .ab ex, this is also for testing purposes. How about we see how it goes for a few weeks, gather feedback, and adjust what's necessary?

But you don't really need much testing to figure out, that this is a nerf to the dps WP compared to the dps DoK. They get a huge dmg increase tactic for free, while dps WPs now will have to spec for it.

[Penril]

But you don't really need much testing to figure out, that this is a nerf to the dps WP compared to the dps DoK. They get a huge dmg increase tactic for free, while dps WPs now will have to spec for it.

Dok is not getting a huge dmg increase tactic for free, where did you get that from?

[Specialpatrol]

That is correct.

So currently a further nerf to dps WPs compared to dps DoKs? Guess it's time to park the WP on the selection screen again. Or equip the book, of course.

And if it stays like this, after exp. changes are reintroduced, then it does seem to severely limit spec builds for dps WPs - because you need to spend so many points in the Wrath tree to be somewhat viable.

You can't spec for Sigmar's Shield, because in exp. mode that's useless for a dps WP (even though in it's original form, I agree, that it's useless for all builds - but a version where it could have been useful for a dps WP would have been preferred) and you can't spec for the good old tri-build, where you pick up the absorb bubble from Salvation and Sigmar's Vision from Grace, without giving up on a needed dps ability/tactic from Wrath.

basic wrath dps
tactics are interchangeable

more than enough RR points, and you can get Sigmar's Vision/a decent SR.

Wrath shouldn't be able to get all of Grace's goodies, and vice-versa.

I can't really make anything from that link.

But with these changes, this is the only spec available for a rr70 dps WP, that will allow you to spec up to an ability:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wp; ... :;;0:0:0:0:

Unfortunately Sigmar's Shield is useless for a dps WP in the changed version.

This is the old tri-build:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wp; ... :;;0:0:0:0:

Also rendered unavailable with the now needed Mastery point required for HD tactic.

You could of course give up Soulfire, which still remains a lacklustre ability. But in the exp. mode it does benefit from the increased dmg for Wrath abilities - so it will still mean a loss in dps. Plus it allows you to regen RF without hitting a specific target. Which also has it's uses, when running an aura that drains RF.

[Thayli]

I don't understand. Why revert this when client access is supposedly around the corner? I know there was some whine about the changes but wouldn't this simply re-introduce backline DoK/WP and therefore make the other healers mostly redundant again?

As for WP nerfs, I can't speak for DoK but if a melee healer does as much damage as a MDPS yet has the sustain of a healer, that is way too much for one class. Unless you have perfect coordination, it takes 6 people to kill a WP if he is guarded, but they can very much kill you. WP + KOTBS can dance on scenario objectives for years and not die. Given both AoE detaunt and increased movement speed, and why would you even bring MDPS in a group over a WP?

[Specialpatrol]

But you don't really need much testing to figure out, that this is a nerf to the dps WP compared to the dps DoK. They get a huge dmg increase tactic for free, while dps WPs now will have to spec for it.

Dok is not getting a huge dmg increase tactic for free, where did you get that from?

Khaine's Blesssing. Their AA haste tactic. Which is free. Yeah?

[Penril]

But you don't really need much testing to figure out, that this is a nerf to the dps WP compared to the dps DoK. They get a huge dmg increase tactic for free, while dps WPs now will have to spec for it.

Dok is not getting a huge dmg increase tactic for free, where did you get that from?

Khaine's Blesssing. Their AA haste tactic. Which is free. Yeah?

Khaine's Blessing was ALWAYS core. Now they have to spec for it.

[Specialpatrol]

Dok is not getting a huge dmg increase tactic for free, where did you get that from?

Khaine's Blesssing. Their AA haste tactic. Which is free. Yeah?

Khaine's Blessing was ALWAYS core. Now they have to spec for it.

Whoops. Yeah, my bad. Just realized that it's now also made into a Mastery tactic - missed that part. Fair enough and I stand corrected.

But I still believe that having to spec for this mandatory tactic will severely limit the dps build options. Possibly for both classes (it's been ages since I played the DoK).

[Azarael]

I don't understand. Why revert this when client access is supposedly around the corner? I know there was some whine about the changes but wouldn't this simply re-introduce backline DoK/WP and therefore make the other healers mostly redundant again?

As for WP nerfs, I can't speak for DoK but if a melee healer does as much damage as a MDPS yet has the sustain of a healer, that is way too much for one class. Unless you have perfect coordination, it takes 6 people to kill a WP if he is guarded, but they can very much kill you. WP + KOTBS can dance on scenario objectives for years and not die. Given both AoE detaunt and increased movement speed, and why would you even bring MDPS in a group over a WP?

Because the damage being done by it is greater than the damage that is being done by conventional WP and DoK.

My opinion regarding how classical WP and DoK play is well-known, and I'm sure you know that I would not withdraw the .ex mode unless I felt there was no other option. The fact is that while the .ex mode got them into melee, it had two flaws:

1) Melee healing is too powerful for cost and too easy at the moment, leading to the class being played as fully melee
2) The class overperformed when it could get into melee and underperformed when it could not.

Solving 1) requires client control. Solving 2) requires that 1) be solved.

So, the safest option for the moment, given that the patcher is indeed under test but I do not know when it will be ready, is to withdraw the .ex. If that means that WP and DoK become top dog again (and it does), then whatever, but it's only for however long it takes for the patcher to be finalized.

In the meantime, I can assure you that I won't be logging either class

[Penril]

Whoops. Yeah, my bad. Just realized that it's now also made into a Mastery tactic - missed that part. Fair enough and I stand corrected.

But I still believe that having to spec for this mandatory tactic will severely limit the dps build options. Possibly for both classes (it's been ages since I played the DoK).

We know that. Like Aza mentioned, he is just pulling .ab ex for now, until we get client control and he can implement all the changes that are required. He identified the issues in the current implementation (only possible after testing it live).

I ask everyone to be patient, and to help us test. That's all.