pug sc

[Zanilos]

>this again

it's been discussed to death already and can be summed up in two word "low population"

Also i just virtually leveled 2 characters wearing green t2 gear from 32-36 almost exlusively in pug scenarios. Learn who the premades are, look at the sc board and check if you have a snowball chance in hell with the comp you have, if not leave the sc immediately through the portal and reque for a diff one.


Also want to say that the desicion to make nordenwatch the default SC instead of reikland factory was a bad move. I'd probably have twice the emblems leveling those up.

You are almost right, should of summed it up as, 'low premade population'. Name me some. I can think of, what? Maybe 7? Maybe. I'm not talking good ones. Just premades in general that I see fight each other in SCs that are not CW. (rip EC)

I don't play much either, would be great to just go and chill out.

[Shutyergob]

Has nothing to do with low population. If the PUG only scens aren't popping peeps will just join the normal scens that pop and do those. Of course the premade are the more serious hardcore players while the pugs are from the more casual, occasional players. It's not hard to figure out which has more influence with the server devs and admins. Nothing wrong with that. The more hardcore/premade population enjoys beating up on the pugs and wants to continue doing so. Of course there needs to be a solo queue / pug only queueing systen for scens.

[Theseus]

I personally are strongly for sc for pugs only. Its not only frustrating for the pugs to lose to the premades, but its also boring for the premades to stomp the pugs without any real effort. At least thats my expirience as someone who did both. And yes, I heard the advice to just get a group, before someone repeats it for the 100. time, but that wouldnt change the problem, i would only shift from frustrated to bored. So there should be a solution which helps both factions to enjoy the game better.

[Grumpbot]

This has been asked several times already.

Playerbase is too low to support such a system.

I find that hard to believe. A lot more people would queue for scenarios if they knew they weren't going to get chain roflstomped by premades.

TenTonHammer is correct that a role check is really not sufficient as coordination and comms matter a ton. Gear is also a big deal. Premades are likely to have full level 40 with reasonable gear while PUGs will have a mix of reasonably level/gear folks as well as fresh t4 characters which are all but useless.

[peterthepan3]

Has nothing to do with low population. If the PUG only scens aren't popping peeps will just join the normal scens that pop and do those. Of course the premade are the more serious hardcore players while the pugs are from the more casual, occasional players. It's not hard to figure out which has more influence with the server devs and admins. Nothing wrong with that. The more hardcore/premade population enjoys beating up on the pugs and wants to continue doing so. Of course there needs to be a solo queue / pug only queueing systen for scens.

Stop making b/s accusations. Most serious premades are actually focused on fighting against other premades (we're basically only focusing on 6v6 with LoB/others atm). There are premades that do indeed enjoy pug stomping/avoiding other premades, but they aren't really taken seriously by other prems.


also - ec is actually pretty popular atm among premades, and I've even seen quite a lot of ungrouped players/pug groups joining for it due to its easy accessibility/intensity. very cool scen.
tldr - i think a pug-only scen would be nice.

[Shutyergob]

Has nothing to do with low population. If the PUG only scens aren't popping peeps will just join the normal scens that pop and do those. Of course the premade are the more serious hardcore players while the pugs are from the more casual, occasional players. It's not hard to figure out which has more influence with the server devs and admins. Nothing wrong with that. The more hardcore/premade population enjoys beating up on the pugs and wants to continue doing so. Of course there needs to be a solo queue / pug only queueing systen for scens.

Stop making b/s accusations. Most serious premades are actually focused on fighting against other premades (we're basically only focusing on 6v6 with LoB/others atm). There are premades that do indeed enjoy pug stomping/avoiding other premades, but they aren't really taken seriously by other prems.


also - ec is actually pretty popular atm among premades, and I've even seen quite a lot of ungrouped players/pug groups joining for it due to its easy accessibility/intensity. very cool scen.
tldr - i think a pug-only scen would be nice.

No BS accusation was made. You make that rude comment then turn right around and admit that there are premades that enjoy stomping pugs, thereby conceding my point, lol. However you then state that 'they aren't taken seriously by other premades', lol. Well who cares about that? Weak argument. With all due rspect, who's slinging the BS arguments here? Obviously those opposed to the sensible notion of setting aside a couple of scens for solo queueing desire to continue the easy gravy train of stomping pugs in scens.

[Shutyergob]

Multiple posts. Scusi!

[Shutyergob]

Multiple posts, scusi!

[peterthepan3]

" The more hardcore/premade population enjoys beating up on the pugs and wants to continue doing so. "

you assume all hardcore premades actually enjoy beating up pugs and want to continue doing that - that is a bs comment.

when you say 'hardcore' you refer to actual premades who play 'hardcore', i.e. not pug-stomping but instead fighting other premades. there is no such thing as a hardcore group that focus on killing pugs: those are just called pugstompers.

you missed the part where I said i believe there should be solo que scens anyway in respect to epo's OP let's keep it on track, and discuss possibilities of a pug sc

[Asherdoom]

roles wouldnt really make the difference

what sets pugs apart from premades is the level of communication and coordination

yes but joining a scenario where you got 9 dps and 3 tanks without healer wont help either...