Return of Reckoning

peterthepan3 wrote: I'm just basing it on our experience as a guild more than anything else tbh. We actively see order groups working together in both rvr/sc, yet the opposite is rarely true :/ I think there also tend to be more order small groups roaming around.

As someone who solo-es alot in most of non-primetime i can feel what you mean , but i kinda think this is more the root of it

peterthepan3 wrote: I think there also tend to be more order small groups roaming around.

peterthepan3 wrote:

sanii wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote:Basically because destro premades are a lot more elitist/selfish and don't really care to help one another

Just out of curiosity , what makes you say that? Do you know how much cooperation there is on order or if any , apart from specific guilds having more then 6 members and trying to get all of em in ?

I'm just basing it on our experience as a guild more than anything else tbh. We actively see order groups working together in both rvr/sc, yet the opposite is rarely true :/ I think there also tend to be more order small groups roaming around.

And in the orderchat they are moaning, destro has more organized guilds, RvR-alli and more premades in SC.

Luicetarro wrote: And in the orderchat they are moaning, destro has more organized guilds, RvR-alli and more premades in SC.

Thus why i said earlier the stuff im saying is anecdotal and just my personal experience same as with peter possibly.
It could even be true that destro does indeed have better and more premades then order for what its worth , but it doesn't make that impression from my side at least.

Edit.: or peter is right destro's elitism is screwing it up
Edit 2: or it might just be a case of the grass is greener on the other side syndrome

can only offer our experiences as a guild queuing up for scenarios for most of the day (different players obv) but yea - could just be a case of grass is greener on the other side =p

Torquemadra wrote:

footpatrol2 wrote: I don't see double premades as a bad thing.

If you cant see why double premades are game cancer then theres little anyone can do to convince you otherwise, Im sorry you have such a blinkered and narrow minded view of things.

it's easy enough to relog to skip that nonsense.

Torquemadra wrote:

footpatrol2 wrote: I don't see double premades as a bad thing.

If you cant see why double premades are game cancer then theres little anyone can do to convince you otherwise, Im sorry you have such a blinkered and narrow minded view of things.

Quite a statement you are making there. Care to explain?

I think what torquemadra means in his own way is that; It must be a real challange to have 2 premades groups with com cordination against solo quers in sc. 1 sc premade is a guarenteed win or should be.

maggii wrote:I think what torquemadra means in his own way is that; It must be a real challange to have 2 premades groups with com cordination against solo quers in sc. 1 sc premade is a guarenteed win or should be.

Well if there was a group of people interested in organized 12v12 specifically, I could see an argument for double premades for some scenarios that would be made specifically to cater to that group (and you could actually queue as 12). However, at the moment trying to stack a double premade is basically abusing the queuing system to gain maximum advantage over opponents who are very likely not going to do the same.

The reason so many double premades are seen these days, is because the premades totally kill the PuG scenario action, up to the point where anybody who isn't in a premade doesn't bother to queue for a scenario at all. Because destruction is the realm where people are willing to do more grassroots organizing for the moment, there are quite a few destruction PuG premades, whereas the same phenomenom is basically non-existent on order. Also there are simply more small guild groups on order right now imo. So as a result when playing destruction it's often 1 guild premade + PuGs/PuG premade vs. 1.5-2 guild premades on Order.

lol double premades.

The reason for more Order double premades is coz of more order 6 mans who focus on Sc's. (I think)I personally almoast never que solo anymore unless bored AF. Coz the ballance between premades vs pugs is just way beyond busted. Atleast in RvR pugs vs premades can be ballanced out by numbers. In sc you might aswell just leave. No chance.