Return of Reckoning

My hybrid build
Grace
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wp; ... 4:;0:0:0:0:
Heal Build
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wp; ... 4:;0:0:0:0:

Note: Only changes in the tactic so you can change anytime you wanted
Reowned
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#renown;000 ... 4000000000

You don't need a single point in salv to heal.
I almost always top heal in my terrible green gear on my Heal build.
Grace? Not so much since my gear isn't good.

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Hi Kok,

Interesting take. So you spec into wrath for intimidating Repent for when you need to swap to 1h/book? I haven't tried healing with no pts in Salv but that would leave me without 3 healing spells that I utilize fairly frequently.

I was lvling as Salv with T3 Devastator 4pc so my gear wasn't top but I think it was decent. I had over 850 willpower and I was usually never top heals. So either I need to change my healing style or something else is going on.

I have to wonder how effective healing would be if I was in all Str gear but just changed some tatics.. I think it's a good back-up plan.

The key is to have exalted defense proc and a target to hit so that you can have Sigmar's Radience heal and 40RF
Unlike some Grace WP, you don't need to choose target. Pet is the best target. Tank is fine as well.

Here some Math.
Let take group heal, It scale like 0.4 willpower to 1heal, my group heal is 500 (I have 531 willpower )
Exalted defense proc=600 heal
So basically Exalted defense proc is 400 Willpower.

In melee range, I am able to use Sigmar's Radience.
Even at low strength, I am able to get a hit on tank as they often ignore you.
It is therefore easy to hit them on their back, so that is 400 heal+ 40 RF (more effective than Supplication)
which allow you to spam group heal.

That why it is possible for some WP/DOK to have 2x or even 3x the heal of the other healer.

Lancez wrote:Hi Kok,

I have to wonder how effective healing would be if I was in all Str gear but just changed some tatics.. I think it's a good back-up plan.

As you can see, I don't spec any willpower, only use pots to booster a bit.
In theory , it is therefore possible to get top heal without changing gear.
That assume you didn't die since your defense won't be as good as a WP who stack the hell on it

hmm I don't quite follow.

So same spec and gear just different tactics
How does your play style differ between your grace/healer specs? Does it mostly depend on if you can melee a target safely?
When you say group heal are you talking about touch of the divine? standing still to cast that I find can lead to not being in range to melee your target anymore. And I wouldn't Sigmars Radiance we superior ? I guess if you can't melee something then no but if you can't melee anything TotD will burn though your RF quick. it would be nice if it could be cast while moving.

I can see how Exalted Def proc is worth it for cast heals but assuming I can melee something Divine Fury would provide better returns. If I can't melee anything then I'm either running towards a target or standing still burning through RF using group heal

It seems like the focus is on max AOE healing output, which I like. I'm interested to try it out.

Lancez wrote: When you say group heal are you talking about touch of the divine? standing still to cast that I find can lead to not being in range to melee your target anymore. And I wouldn't Sigmars Radiance we superior ? I guess if you can't melee something then no but if you can't melee anything TotD will burn though your RF quick. it would be nice if it could be cast while moving.

You can cast ToTD on the move. stand still ,cast, wait for 0.5sec and move.
In most fight, there is always target to hit (not like you aiming to kill anyone), switch to whatever is nearby.
Getting into melee range also allow you to heal stupid over-extended mdps and tank.
Note:You can survive against 2-3 melee with AOE detaunt. Cast in advance. WP/DOK detaunt has very long range .

It is however noted in a lot of pug SC, order just break and run when a horn squig hit them.
When they run , you will get swam and die. But to be honest, if that happen, you can't win anyway so it doesn't matter.
Being to lot of these SC and they always claim that the destro is a premade and they always lose . I wonder why.

hey yall, Sweet here been playing 2h WP on this server since it came and and I exclusively played 2h WP on live.

Sorry if this sounds rude to yall but playing grace with a book+shield and running willpower is one of the worst ideas i have ever read on this forum.

anyway now that i've said that, the best way to play is to mix your talis with armor and str, armor will be your key to survival in massive fights, queueing with a guard makes life 100x easier, you had the right idea, as always its spam SR and DA to burst heal people up, change targets to squishies when you can.

I run at 40 Divine Fury, Fanatacism, Hastened Divinity and either emperor's ward or Sigmar's Grace.

these tactics are all pretty much the only ones you would ever want to run.
Grace WP is a lot of fun and can be extremely good and useful in the hands of a skilled player. its just 75% of WPs who play 2h either go partially wrath or just don't know what they're doing.


edit: here's my build http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wp; ... :4159:4169:

tldr; use atleast 2-3 good armor talis and the rest str, get 46% passive parry and capped resists.

oh yeah and the people who say playing Grace is selfish, lmao. playing a class in a game for fun.. selfish.. what irony is in that statement.

sweetest wrote:hey yall, Sweet here been playing 2h WP on this server since it came and and I exclusively played 2h WP on live.

Sorry if this sounds rude to yall but playing grace with a book+shield and running willpower is one of the worst ideas i have ever read on this forum.

anyway now that i've said that, the best way to play is to mix your talis with armor and str, armor will be your key to survival in massive fights, queueing with a guard makes life 100x easier, you had the right idea, as always its spam SR and DA to burst heal people up, change targets to squishies when you can.

I run at 40 Divine Fury, Fanatacism, Hastened Divinity and either emperor's ward or Sigmar's Grace.

these tactics are all pretty much the only ones you would ever want to run.
Grace WP is a lot of fun and can be extremely good and useful in the hands of a skilled player. its just 75% of WPs who play 2h either go partially wrath or just don't know what they're doing.


edit: here's my build http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wp; ... :4159:4169:

tldr; use atleast 2-3 good armor talis and the rest str, get 46% passive parry and capped resists.

oh yeah and the people who say playing Grace is selfish, lmao. playing a class in a game for fun.. selfish.. what irony is in that statement.

Is there a particular reason why you favor Hastened Divinity?

Also, why do you choose to sacrifice utility to add damage to a couple of attacks?

prayer of devotion ticks on AAs, weapon procs, also more damage. I can't think of any other reason to take it.

Personally, I consider sweet's build to be sloppy in spending of spec points. You'll get what? Less than 5% gain on those 3 points spent to cap Grace? For 2 of em, you can get a healdebuff. Not the best, but a healdebuff. For all 3, you get an AoE closing attack as well.

Edit: Note, Sweet is a good melee WP. Whenever I can, I'll happily toss my gaurd on him:P

I don't understand kok's play-theory. No one "ignores" melee WP. And attacking a Tank, the class that has the best defensive stats, is never a sound strategy. And from personal experience, no. A 2hander trying to cast to heal is not effective. You run out of RF far too easily. You don't have the survivability to rush AoE/melee trains. You will always have trouble keeping up with the crowd, and your group will cry as they HoT to death as you desperately try to supplicate.

Best advice, take all the builds and try them out. It's pretty cheap to respec, see which one works the best for your style, or take the advice and build your own.

I usually run this: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wp; ... 0:;0:0:0:0:

I play around with the other 2 tactics based on what situation I am in, but Greave and Grace are always in it.

I am not wild about it since the CD on Divine Light feels like it is too long to be overly useful for Grace, but I do like having something up my sleeve for when I am out of AP, or I am transitioning to another/better target and there is a lot of incoming damage.

Dabbart wrote: I don't understand kok's play-theory. No one "ignores" melee WP. And attacking a Tank, the class that has the best defensive stats, is never a sound strategy. And from personal experience, no. A 2hander trying to cast to heal is not effective. You run out of RF far too easily. You don't have the survivability to rush AoE/melee trains. You will always have trouble keeping up with the crowd, and your group will cry as they HoT to death as you desperately try to supplicate.

There is a huge difference between a 2h WP and a book one.
May not seem different to you since you never run a book WP.
Tank has the best toughness and armor, they don't have much parry and block.
And you are wrong, you have the survivability to survive reasonable time against AoE/melee trains ,
YOU HAVE AOE detaunt.
Just don't spam AOE to disable them and you will do just fine.

The reason why MOST GRACE WP is hated is because they think themselves as mdps first, healer third.
They always try to get to the backline to get kills , waste their AP on snare, buff/debuff.
Often they die a lot and that is not even the MAIN reason ppl don't like them
The main reason is that they give up and AFK after they die like 2-3 times.(You know who I talking to).
IF you like to melee, melee to the end, or else take out your book and heal.