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peterthepan3
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Re: Pug Only Scenario

Post#11 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:57 pm

Telen wrote:When you pug just take your own performance as an indicator not if you lose to premades. Win or lose if you did well thats ok just keep getting better. Ive seen the best premades absolutely trashed when the stars align and the best pug players end up together.

Definitely not the best premades, then.
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Re: Pug Only Scenario

Post#12 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:04 pm

If you are solo queing that is the chance you take. If you want to have a better chance at winning forming a group with what you need to win is the only way you will increase those chances.

When you pug you roll the dice you could get a full group of tanks and no healers, or you get healers that are speced for dps and not healing. You could just get a bunch of people speced for dps.

If you are solo queing just expect to lose and if you come out winning then you can be surprised. More often then not no matter what side you play for if you are leaving it up to the game to place the right people in your SC everytime and expect to win because the game did a good job placing the right roles in your SC then you will be disappointed 95% of the time.

Sometimes you may even get the right roles in a pug and it still won't matter because people don't play support and all just go nuts trying to top the score card and you still lose or they flat out ignore the objective of the SC. I have seen SnB tanks afraid to jump in the fray, people over extending, no one protecting healers when they get jumped, the list just goes on because there really isn't much communication when it comes to pugs.

TL;DR Make a group for SCs or just expect to lose and be surprised when you win.
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Re: Pug Only Scenario

Post#13 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:20 pm

Ekundu01 wrote: TL;DR Make a group for SCs or just expect to lose and be surprised when you win.
- Well at least someone didn't make this about L2P/#GetaGROOPORDIEEEEE because that wouldn't have been very constructive.

His post was about if this is possible or a good idea. Obviously if he could get a group to play with he would lol. It is true that some people tend to be more solo players and that SC's might be there main interaction with the "others".

So rather than belittle someone who is simply asking if this is possible, since premades have their own SC (which is awesome by the way), try a solo Q one? There may already be one, but constantly saying, "bro, bro... just a group bro... oh and L2P nub" - is so old. GO debolster an AM in T2 or something and stop trolling people who were simply asking a question.

Good day :)

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peterthepan3
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Re: Pug Only Scenario

Post#14 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:23 pm

to be honest battle for praag is probably the best pug scen. most serious 6mans wont queue for it as its pretty much RvR and somewhat boring/aoe bombcentric.
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Re: Pug Only Scenario

Post#15 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:51 pm

Sighan wrote:I would like a scenario that you simply can not join with a group.
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Re: Pug Only Scenario

Post#16 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:55 pm

Seems like a good way to get destroyed by rdps. Melee is super reliant on support and the chances of being properly guarded and healed in a pug are very low.
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Re: Pug Only Scenario

Post#17 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:07 pm

freshour wrote:
Ekundu01 wrote: TL;DR Make a group for SCs or just expect to lose and be surprised when you win.
- Well at least someone didn't make this about L2P/#GetaGROOPORDIEEEEE because that wouldn't have been very constructive.

His post was about if this is possible or a good idea. Obviously if he could get a group to play with he would lol. It is true that some people tend to be more solo players and that SC's might be there main interaction with the "others".

So rather than belittle someone who is simply asking if this is possible, since premades have their own SC (which is awesome by the way), try a solo Q one? There may already be one, but constantly saying, "bro, bro... just a group bro... oh and L2P nub" - is so old. GO debolster an AM in T2 or something and stop trolling people who were simply asking a question.

Good day :)
It wasn't ment to be a belittling post, I do the same thing the OP does I solo que SCs because (reasons) but I go in to do my part and don't get mad over facing premades or what ever crazy opposition i may be facing. Even if he/she got this wish of pug vs pug only maps the complaining would just go from one problem to another. Pug vs Anything will always have a lower overall win rate simply because most people that pug flat out don't organize because 90% of the pug players just want to face roll and win and when that doesn't happen they blame everything under the sun for the reasons of losing.

I was pointing out the few flaws you will still see even with pug vs pug only and in the end the result will still be the same, the OP wanted pug vs pug because they feel they would have more of a chance to win a random SC if they didn't have to face a premade (or at least that is how it came across to me) and that simply isn't true because you can still get screwed by the matching system/spec people are playing.
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Re: Pug Only Scenario

Post#18 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:18 pm

Shibirian wrote:
Sighan wrote:I would like a scenario that you simply can not join with a group.
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Re: Pug Only Scenario

Post#19 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:05 pm

Scenarios should all be that way for me, so if there is the chance to actually have at least once that way i would be happy about it.
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Re: Pug Only Scenario

Post#20 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:15 pm

Tesq wrote:Scenarios should all be that way for me, so if there is the chance to actually have at least once that way i would be happy about it.

yeah talking about personal preferences obstructing on others...

i guess there shouldnt be any warbands too? and no chat, so people cant organize? all just random pugs beating their heads on the keyboard. oh and make skills random too!
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