Return of Reckoning

Order MDPS lack incoming heal debuffs in their best spec line so until t4 I think they are underperfoming compared to destro MDPS, with the exception of WL which is overperforming compared to how it will be in T4 thanks to armor debuff doing work on current armor values (so is mara), and having access to all their good tactics... but again WL doesn't have incoming healdebuff either.

MDPS require more support, so most casual players tend to play RDPS as you can do pretty well in a scenario without guard and 1 healer instead of 2 whereas playing a MDPS solo que in scenarios is hell on earth or when the devs had the balanced party thing going for a week it took... a week to get a pop as a solo MDPS.

Destro tends to have more PUG healers and tanks because lets face it they look cooler and are more fun to play. This Means pugging and playing MDPS on destro is on average easier, but it is still mostly shitty on both both sides.

From the beginning on i had this assumption about order/destro meeles and its kinda simple.

order got no style. lets be honest, many players want a badass awesome looking stylo class with badass armor and a badboy attitude and which side got it? guess what, not order obvly

destro meeles are just way more attractive that order compared looks like pancy parade.
first of all the badass orks with their bigass armor with skulls hanging around and evil paintings on it, plus their brutal warshouts in battle and every hit sounds like a crash, this just looks like fun!
then the chosen/maras who just look like they came straight from hell. their style is most of all unbeatable. awesome looks.
and then we have order... don't missunderstand, i love my order toons but they can't reach **** to destro attitude, it's true

edit: beeing a light order meele in solo q means most of all suicide because most order tanks don't know how to support or are not willing to do so. i sadly met too many knights/SMs who want to be badass dps pricks (in other words useless individuals) so the meeles who count on a guard will be left out in the cold.

The fact that WL's look more heavier armored than SM's (at least until sovereign) is not helping much either

Rebuke wrote:The fact that WL's look more heavier armored than SM's (at least until sovereign) is not helping much either

Makes sense because in the tabletop both SM and WL both have heavy armor. WL has an even better save roll because of Lion Cloak.

The armor argument about bad assery and all that is irrelevant....not because it is irrelevant to balance but because cosmetic armor when implemented will deal with how fugly wls look

ursvamp wrote:you see many gankers in destro huh? comparing to ranged knockdowns, AM's imortality, endless pounces. poor healers, SH's.
and here you can use your slow and knockback and, nothing happens.. in the end you die, to 700 crit pounces.. so good.
here you only need 6 man with tanks and healers do deal with that, wow so equilibrated

- We have another white lion spotting!!!!!! Some would classify this as rare as seeing a unicorn even... but it could just be salty tears or a lost soul... you be the judge!

Im sorry what? I play during both eu primetime and NA times, WL are not "rare" bar maybe magus to some degree no class here is under represented

bwdaWAR wrote:

Sizer wrote:You do realize that when people yell "OMGZ ORDER OP NERF DEM NO FAIR DEVS PLAY ORDER...." theyre being sarcastic, right?

No, they quite often mean it. Since it's part of a lengthy rant.

Posting to confirm that many of them do mean it.

freshour wrote:...they do have CC, but for most it is later in the trees...

So it is. Huge advantage for the destro.

freshour wrote:
In closing

Has it always been this way? Or was it a different story on live as obviously a lot of the order hate comes from salty people who were destroyed by order and have brought that to this realm that we all love? I really don't know the answer to that but I wish more people would understand this reality and stop living in the past. Live is dead. This is not live. It is completely different. I'm fairly new and I can tell that. Stop shutting down dev ideas to even the fun/playing field on order melee and if you guys end up getting melee trained like order does now, then I'm sure the devs would be willing to do some more tweaks. Again, this is from the small group/solo perspective as the majority of this server is a part of that with less than half being in a big guild with organized groups in every SC. Especially when it comes to NA when destro has much more groups going at that time.

It always was. Just add destro zerg 90% of the time and high "turnover rate" on order side.

SW rkd

BW rkd

i wouldt say that they are very hugh in the trees