Curent situation with brigand's weapons

[Genisaurus]

What about the drop rate? Will it be increased? Because purples aren't even that good for their super low drop chance

There has been some internal discussion, but a final decision has yet to be made. I would personally like to see drop rates increased a little, but I'm also in the middle of overhauling the way the entire loot system works*, so I'm somewhat unconcerned about problems with the current system. That should be in a deployable state Soon™, so any decision made on the matter would likely only apply to the new mechanics, not a change to the current system.

* - It will look exactly the same to you, but it will be much easier and much more versatile for us.

[vove]

ITT: BiS items are too hard to get

also ITT: Order bias

[Jaycub]

* - It will look exactly the same to you, but it will be much easier and much more versatile for us.

VIP accounts confirmed? :^)

[Penril]

I haven't really checked those items so i don't know if they are BiS. Regardless, this is how i see it:

- Renown gear should be the best gear in the game, no discussion. If you want to wear it, you need to PvP (buy it with emblems/medallions, wear it with the required renown).

- PvE gear should be good enough to let you compete with those wearing Renown gear. So people who want to plvl and get to max level as soon as possible, without thinking about their renown, can simply buy that gear and not get stomped.

However, good PvE gear (blues, purples) only drop in PvP (!!!). And the drop rates are so low that the prices are, of course, really high on both realms.

Now, the decision to remove blue/purple gear from mobs was due to the fact that people would rather farm Gors in IC for hours instead of doing PvP. Keep in mind though that this was back when we didnt have RvR sets. Maybe it is time to bring back purples/blues to mobs (with a better drop chance) and, if necessary, adjust the stats on those items so they are not as good as RvR gear (but good enough to compete). Maybe it isn't even necessary to adjust anything since PvE gear doesn't have tally slots or set bonuses.

My 0.02.

[Genisaurus]

* - It will look exactly the same to you, but it will be much easier and much more versatile for us.

VIP accounts confirmed? :^)

I wish.

What I mean is that currently, every mob has a loot table which is just "Item: x% chance to drop", and each item is rolled for individually. Lair boss loot and PvP loot is overridden in the code. This is extremely inflexible, and prevents us from, say, guaranteeing that a piece of loot be dropped, but which item specifically drops is chosen from a list. Which means we couldn't have dungeon bosses with the loot system they had on live. We also couldn't do things like guarantee that if a creature drops loot, it will not only be usable by your faction, but by a member of your party. Or make quest items only drop if you're working on that quest. Currently, we have over 10,000 loot tables. So even if changing something is "easy," there are plenty of opportunities for bugs to hide given the general state of data integrity in our DB.

- Renown gear should be the best gear in the game, no discussion. If you want to wear it, you need to PvP (buy it with emblems/medallions, wear it with the required renown).

- PvE gear should be good enough to let you compete with those wearing Renown gear. So people who want to plvl and get to max level as soon as possible, without thinking about their renown, can simply buy that gear and not get stomped.

For the most part I agree with you. The first point however, needs the qualifier "for that item level" The reason why the Brigand weapons are better than the SC weapons to some people, is because they have the DPS of a level 31 purple weapon, instead of a level 29 blue weapon. Some people also want the +AP regen or +Morale gen that they come with. Devastator gear is < level 30, so a piece of level 31 armor is probably going to have higher armor values, even if the total number of stats is less than a set. It's situational, and probably worse in most cases, but in a lot of cases they're on par.

To the second point, I would agree with the qualifier that there is (and should be) a sizable gap between "not getting stomped" and "contributing significantly."

[Shadowgurke]

I haven't really checked those items so i don't know if they are BiS. Regardless, this is how i see it:

The weapons are BiS for mDPS and SW/Squig because they have considerably higher DPS than the renown weapons. The jewelry is also BiS for a lot of classes.

[Lileldys]

I would personally be happier to see blue and purple loot moved off players and reattached to appropriate level mobs.

There was a problem at t2 launch where 90% of the players were just farming mobs for BiS loot. I'd rather not see all the players grinding for purple weapons...

[saupreusse]

I would personally be happier to see blue and purple loot moved off players and reattached to appropriate level mobs.

+ , also i would like purple crafting stuff to drop from mobs again. and blue stuff needs an increased drop chance. i can farm 1 hour and if im lucky i get 5 blue crafting mats

[TenTonHammer]

I would personally be happier to see blue and purple loot moved off players and reattached to appropriate level mobs.

There was a problem at t2 launch where 90% of the players were just farming mobs for BiS loot. I'd rather not see all the players grinding for purple weapons...

this change also made it so that pve; bar for appearance gear and crafting, became completely pointless

[Bignusty]

I"'m agree to back those loot on Pve now

Dont forget now the price of blue purple talismans on AH it's totally a joke why ? Because purple blue just loot on PvP add the low rate chance so when someone decide to salvage it the price will be very expensive ... I dont see lot of people running whit full +20/+21/+22 talismans to difficult if you dont use salavaging work on each char for salvage your influence gear. All players cant create some char to do that.

I play a lot essentially on scen but never see more like 3-4 purple drop on 1 week and never win a purple item and for talisman all my purple from influence rewards (+19/+20)

So if the purple blue gears can be back on Pve (because all work need to be farm whit pve farm) so the price of talisman will be less expensive so more easy to buy for a new player or for casual players.


On destro tonight some purple +19 str cost 39 gold its really a good price for all when on order side a +19 cost 100gold and more .